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1947 the Army Air Forces has announced

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that applying disc has been found and is

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now in the possession of the army

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the game is rigged change the game game

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changer I occasionally think how quickly

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our difference is worldwide to Advantage

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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outside this work

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I need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fade to black with

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Jimmy judge on The Game Changer Network

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uh yeah man how you doing today is

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Tuesday Tuesday September 27 2022.

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everybody listening all around the world

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all across the United States

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hither and tither to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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this is Fade to Black for kjcr the game

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Jimmy Church what is cracking everybody

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how you doing

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all right

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here we go it's

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I'm Michelle week here on Fade to Black

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Wilson Davis Grant Cameron

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Richard Dolan tomorrow night

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uh tonight

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our very special guest is me

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yeah

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that's right because tonight I'm gonna

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take you on a two and a half hour deep

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dive

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into the Wilson Davis document for night

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two tomorrow night's night three Richard

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Nolan and then Thursday night

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is open lines all night long because

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it's fader night that's right

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great week here on the show and um I

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love the

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The Hills and Valleys

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right the Hills and Valleys of ufology

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you know the Euphoria the oh man

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the more Euphoria and right now we're on

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that Euphoria wave and uh it feels

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pretty good and every time

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every time you know you get that low you

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know you got that low and you know it's

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like okay all right what's next and then

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boom right

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you just never know it's great it's

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great uh I love this UFO Community uh so

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much so anyway yeah bombshell week and

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um now a little bit of uh before we

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uh I was uh looking at the comments uh a

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little bit had a very very busy day

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um and plus setting up the show and and

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uh going through some of the comments

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and and one of the and I know that this

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is happening

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that no matter what if you you know are

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a regular uh listener

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um and participant of of Fade to Black

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right so there's that but there is a big

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segment of of this community

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that uh doesn't know

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haven't heard of it and and you're

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always in that danger zone because when

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you bring on somebody like last night uh

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with Grant Cameron

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um you bring you bring Grant on

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and you just you can't help you just go

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straight into this thing and and and

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it's it's it's my fault right where you

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you don't do any prep and you don't

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explain what's going on even though I

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what the heck are they talking about

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what's the excitement

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um and that's what tonight's show is all

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about uh we're gonna do a deep dive in

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to the Wilson Davis document and uh

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coming off of last night's show if you

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listen to it didn't really understand

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what's going on well okay cool you're

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gonna go through tonight's show and

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hopefully go well that makes a lot of

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okay I get the excitement now and then

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you will go and do your own uh dive uh

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into the Wilson Davis document and of

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course the uh the the ATP working group

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and their notes uh Melinda Leslie

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um has been sitting on uh notes for a

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number of years from Jack Houck and of

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has his uh notes that were given to him

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from Eric Davis who is the subject of

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uh almost I guess 20 years ago I think

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that's what he said last night so he's

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and he has made mention of them a few

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times in the past but it's just never

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really soaked in now it all makes sense

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because Oh Shannon uh did his interview

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uh earlier this week

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um Coming Out of the Shadows okay so

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um that is tonight's show and we will uh

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we I'm gonna go through uh page for page

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um and I I a note about uh tonight's

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presentation by the way

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so uh I went through uh today I spent

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hours uh going through highlighting uh

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segments and and bringing them up and

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then I brought it over

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in to uh the Slide show presentation uh

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you know to import it in uh for the show

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tonight and I was looking I was like

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it's not right not to me not to me and

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so I decided uh to do it a different way

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and so three hours today

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gone uh then I'll never get back but

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anyway well but so I've got a better way

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to present it but here's the thing so uh

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and and my upsettedness

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uh today about that I um I said well

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no it wasn't wasted time because you

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read through the document again you uh

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pulled out your own highlights uh the

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things that stand out for you on every

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and you've done a thorough review

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something that I probably wouldn't have

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presenting it now and I wouldn't have

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read you know so uh I got to do my

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homework is what I'm saying

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it was a big coffee day today so anyway

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that's uh that's going on tonight we're

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gonna do a two and a half hour Deep dive

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into the Wilson Davis documents now

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um I would ask all of you I'm going to

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see me as much tonight because I'm gonna

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have the the screen take up everything

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it's all over the net and you can go and

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get your own copies of the Wilson Davis

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document if you want to go uh and do

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that too as well I don't have I I should

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have posted it up and had a PDF ready

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for everybody but uh I didn't I didn't I

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just thought it's a pretty easy to

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access so uh zenzabil genocide everybody

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that is uh moderating uh you have the

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ability to post links in the chat so if

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you guys want to pull up a PDF that

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everybody can get the 15 pages of Wilson

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Davis that would be great you can put

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that up in the chat if you want to go uh

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through it with me I'm gonna have it up

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on the screen but uh the other thing is

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that after tonight's show you'll be able

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to go and read through the documents

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yourself it going through it today

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uh and I've read them so many times

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times and just going through it again

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gobsmacking insane uh the Wilson Davis

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document so okay there you go tomorrow

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night Richard Dolan is with us Thursday

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night it is open lines all night long

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coming up I will be hosting and emceeing

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the conscious life Expo this February

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10th through the 13th at The Lax Hilton

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tickets and info at the

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consciouslifeexpo.com the links are

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below uh April 7th through the 14th 2023

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I'll be hosting and presenting on the

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hidden secrets seminar at Sea cruise

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with Scott Walter Adam Apollo Nick boat

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Brad Olson and Vivian Chauvet and many

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other fine and great speakers I want you

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to get your membership to the NX Network

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now coming up

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um also uh Halloween

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um is the big Gala event over at the NX

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Network I will be hosting it uh we will

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be doing it here on Fade to Black and of

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about it as uh as it gets announced and

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gets launched but I think there's going

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to be you know some ghost hunting uh

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it's Halloween it is the anniversary uh

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the one year anniversary for the NX

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Network and uh so it's a big event and

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that will be going on Halloween night uh

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coming up in a month I cannot believe

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Halloween is here it has been a year

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since last Halloween last Halloween

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oh I've got Shaw uh The Loon Witch is

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gonna be with us again and I think this

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will be

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the eighth year I think Shaw is uh going

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to be with us and uh chatted with her

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earlier today so that's coming up in in

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Halloween last Halloween

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Lisa Reed was here for Halloween night I

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hey man I forced my friend of 40 years

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to give out candy alone just so I could

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do the show man I'm feeling feeling bad

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you want to come over for Halloween

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again this year all right

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I hope she just said yes I know she's

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listening uh the text is gonna fire up

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here in a second go ahead Lisa text me

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ah there you go all right so get your

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free membership to the NX network over

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at the onyxnetwork.com the links are

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below and uh right now Eden Pure right

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here Eden Pure

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just sitting here cleansing the air in

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the bunker

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um right before Showtime tonight

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uh I I the heat has come back

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and uh and I came in here uh okay so

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hold on hold on for a second so this is

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what I had to do this is why I love Eden

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see this this is a USB 3.0 extension

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right okay so

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um installing the new camera it's a 3.0

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camera I have the other 3.0 stuff that's

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installed and the Eden Pier was in a 3.0

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and uh and I had to unplug it to get

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something else in and so meanwhile uh

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yesterday uh last night I should say uh

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going into today I didn't have any Eden

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Pure I didn't have any thunderstorm

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running this arrived today so now I'm

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all good anyway I had to come in here to

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that one

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what what's going on

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oh no

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I went like 12 hours without eating pure

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and it was immediate it was just like

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that so this morning I I sacrificed uh

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uh a keyboard and uh unplugged that it's

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that keyboard is not lit up and just so

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I can get my Eden Pure plugged in now

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I've got this and then tomorrow uh

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everything else will get plugged back in

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but I noticed it right away I was like

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where's that fresh smell where's that

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thunderstorm

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spring fresh thing and I've got it

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plugged in I came in to do the show

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tonight I'm back to normal I panicked

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that's how much I love the thunderstorm

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there it is USB port that was the thing

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right there I could have plugged it into

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the wall but then I can't show it to you

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right right plus it's got to sit here

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it's got to sit right right next to me

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right here in the studio three pack

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special going on fader three is the

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promo code that's all you got to do

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click on the links below you get three

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you save two hundred dollars you get

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free shipping and you get one for each

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room in your house right so there you go

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link is below EdenPURE thunderstorm

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follow me on Twitter at J churchradio

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the sandboxes hashtag f2b on Twitter we

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don't bite

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any questions or comments during the

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show pop it up right here hashtag f2bq

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it's right there right in front of me

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and I haven't had any questions in 21

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hours

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[Music]

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Kim jelen yeah oh I guess that's

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yesterday oh so no questions today 21

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hours seems like forever in Twitter time

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all right let's get to the breaking news

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masses

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Artemis one Moon rocket left its launch

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pad for safety's sake last night only to

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encounter a bit of drama after arriving

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at the Vehicle Assembly Building Artemis

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one completed the nearly 10 hour trip to

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the VAB at about 9 15 a.m eastern time

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this morning

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but just two and a half hours later

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a small fire broke out inside the

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building employees were evacuated and

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there are no reported injuries the VAB

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is completely fire safe and the artemis1

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vehicle was not at risk according to the

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Kennedy Space Center officials

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is it jinxed

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jinxed is this thing ever gonna get to

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the moon

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well uh check this out

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Jonathan and Diana Tebby

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BBY pleaded guilty for a second time

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today to federal charges that they tried

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to sell secrets about U.S submarine

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nuclear propulsion systems

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to a foreign country the couple

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originally pleaded guilty in February

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but a judge threw out the plea

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agreements last month after deciding the

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sentences

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were too low

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so the tabies of Annapolis Maryland seem

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to be the typical Suburban couple before

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they were arrested last October for

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scheming to sell secrets about

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virginia-class nuclear submarines to a

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foreign country that country turned out

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to be Brazil

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okay go figure that one at the time of

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his plea tubby said that he sent a

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package to a foreign government listing

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a return address in Pittsburgh that

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contained a sample of restricted data

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and instructions for establishing a

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relationship to buy additional

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restricted data

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however

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Debbie said that he began corresponding

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with someone he thought was a

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representative of Brazil

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but was really an undercover FBI agent

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here's the lesson learned

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don't be a dick

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don't sell out your own country

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yeah you're gonna get caught

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that's

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oh man FBI agent there you go all right

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CERN is back in the news

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that's right

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CERN the European Center for nuclear

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research

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is preparing to idle some of its

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particle accelerators to save

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electricity currently in short supply

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due to the war in Ukraine

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Serge Claude head of CERN Energy

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Management commission said that CERN is

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making plans to shut down some of its

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eight particle accelerators including

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the Large Hadron Collider the LHC to

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ensure the stability of the electrical

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Grid in Europe and this is the deal

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concern uses up the same amount of

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electricity as an entire city

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The Proposal is expected to be presented

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to the governments of France and

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Switzerland by the end of the month

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Britain's royal Navy this is crazy I've

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never known about this

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Britain's royal Navy will dismantle a

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World War II shipwreck with

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1400 tons

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of bombs

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that's right capable of causing a tames

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tsunami

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the SS Richard Montgomery has been at

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the bottom of the Thames Estuary in Kent

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for 77 years with fears it would explode

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at any moment of why they're doing this

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not white nobody thought about this in

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the past I have no idea now suddenly

417
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they think it's it could just explode at

418
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any moment

419
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1400 tons of bombs they say it would

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create a five meter high 15 foot 15 foot

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high wave that would cause Mass damage

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and loss of life now since August last

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month since August

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last month 77 years later right since

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August a three-month no-fly zone has

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been ordered over the bomb ladenship

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this means no no drones no microlights

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no small planes will be allowed to fly

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over the wreck until November 15th when

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the removal should be completed

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there you go let's get this show

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cracking on this day in history

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1989

434
00:25:05,690 --> 00:25:02,760
it seems like you know every you know

435
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the the date shift every year right and

436
00:25:10,130 --> 00:25:08,580
yeah the days are not the same but it

437
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seemed that

438
00:25:16,130 --> 00:25:14,159
every year I am able to do this on this

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day in history and I'm not going to stop

440
00:25:20,230 --> 00:25:17,580
because I remember it like it was

441
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yesterday 1989

442
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:23,720
Jaja Gabor storms out of the courtroom

443
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that's right

444
00:25:31,669 --> 00:25:28,919
oh but it was such big news here in L.A

445
00:25:35,450 --> 00:25:31,679
she was accused of slapping officer Paul

446
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:35,460
Kramer during a June 14th traffic stop

447
00:25:42,590 --> 00:25:37,919
right here in Los Angeles California she

448
00:25:46,090 --> 00:25:42,600
had been pulled over for expired tags on

449
00:25:49,789 --> 00:25:46,100
her Rolls-Royce on this day

450
00:25:52,310 --> 00:25:49,799
in 1989 here's your fader fact it's a

451
00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:52,320
strange one today and I did not know

452
00:25:56,450 --> 00:25:53,940
this I had to vet it and turned out yeah

453
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:56,460
of course it wouldn't be a fader fact if

454
00:26:04,390 --> 00:26:00,720
I didn't vet it and uh it's this

455
00:26:06,250 --> 00:26:04,400
in 300 BC

456
00:26:09,649 --> 00:26:06,260
Mayans

457
00:26:12,169 --> 00:26:09,659
worshiped turkeys

458
00:26:16,070 --> 00:26:12,179
that's right

459
00:26:17,930 --> 00:26:16,080
because turkeys were vessels

460
00:26:19,610 --> 00:26:17,940
of the Gods

461
00:26:21,470 --> 00:26:19,620
and that

462
00:26:27,350 --> 00:26:21,480
is your fader fact you didn't know that

463
00:26:31,130 --> 00:26:29,810
tonight my very special guest is me I'm

464
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gonna take you on a two and a half hour

465
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deep dive into the Wilson Davis document

466
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:37,919
for night two of bombshell week

467
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Grand Cameron week here on Fade to block

468
00:26:47,029 --> 00:26:43,799
tomorrow night Richard Dolan we will

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continue for Wilson Davis night three of

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00:26:50,510 --> 00:26:49,200
bombshell week and then Thursday of

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00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:50,520
course is another fader night with open

472
00:26:54,890 --> 00:26:53,820
lines all night long and now you see my

473
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:54,900
career

474
00:26:59,269 --> 00:26:56,880
I used to hold off

475
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on River Moon coffee until right before

476
00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:04,850
I love this coffee too much

477
00:27:08,690 --> 00:27:06,960
Fade to Black blend go to the Amazon

478
00:27:11,450 --> 00:27:08,700
store search it

479
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:11,460
Fade to Black blend River Moon coffee

480
00:27:16,310 --> 00:27:14,640
that's how I type is that how you type

481
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just like

482
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right

483
00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:20,039
you know what to do promo code f2b blend

484
00:27:27,340 --> 00:27:23,100
okay let's go links are below

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[Music]

486
00:27:36,529 --> 00:27:34,370
you heard that growl didn't you right

487
00:27:39,529 --> 00:27:36,539
there you heard it

488
00:27:41,510 --> 00:27:39,539
you hurt you heard it

489
00:27:43,310 --> 00:27:41,520
all right that's it you just got to live

490
00:27:49,850 --> 00:27:43,320
with it

491
00:27:52,970 --> 00:27:52,070
I've got something living in the rafters

492
00:27:54,409 --> 00:27:52,980
man

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uh

494
00:28:01,970 --> 00:27:59,340
um two days ago

495
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:01,980
I was putting stuff in the back of my

496
00:28:07,010 --> 00:28:05,039
Jeep in a shopping Center parking lot

497
00:28:09,350 --> 00:28:07,020
when this voice I'm not making this up

498
00:28:11,210 --> 00:28:09,360
by the way uh this voice hope he's

499
00:28:12,890 --> 00:28:11,220
listening right now this voice from

500
00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:12,900
behind me said

501
00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:20,450
I got stuff in my head and uh and I turn

502
00:28:24,830 --> 00:28:22,860
around and I meet someone named

503
00:28:27,470 --> 00:28:24,840
mint

504
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:27,480
yeah that's right cool guy by the way

505
00:28:36,470 --> 00:28:34,430
so we shouldn't talked and he told me

506
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that he grew up in Palmdale

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00:28:41,450 --> 00:28:39,720
and that strange things are always up in

508
00:28:44,870 --> 00:28:41,460
the sky and of course I told him that

509
00:28:49,010 --> 00:28:44,880
this is why I moved here and we both

510
00:28:51,769 --> 00:28:49,020
laughed and then he proceeded to tell me

511
00:28:53,810 --> 00:28:51,779
about the 90s

512
00:28:56,990 --> 00:28:53,820
now check this out

513
00:29:01,070 --> 00:28:57,000
this is what mint told me

514
00:29:03,649 --> 00:29:01,080
I've heard a lot of sighting stories

515
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:03,659
never one like this

516
00:29:12,529 --> 00:29:08,640
he said that throughout the 90s and it

517
00:29:14,990 --> 00:29:12,539
has since stopped but throughout the 90s

518
00:29:17,269 --> 00:29:15,000
in the skies

519
00:29:21,230 --> 00:29:17,279
over Palmdale

520
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:21,240
was the daily and nightly testing

521
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:25,260
of black hexagon

522
00:29:31,370 --> 00:29:27,120
craft

523
00:29:32,269 --> 00:29:31,380
I said hexagon trying no he said stop

524
00:29:35,649 --> 00:29:32,279
sign

525
00:29:43,250 --> 00:29:38,710
what he goes dude

526
00:29:45,169 --> 00:29:43,260
everywhere all the time no noise

527
00:29:47,389 --> 00:29:45,179
I said how big were they and he said

528
00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:47,399
from here to the building and that was

529
00:29:53,870 --> 00:29:51,720
about 30 yards so that's 90 feet

530
00:29:55,490 --> 00:29:53,880
and I'm picturing myself to be a huge

531
00:29:58,010 --> 00:29:55,500
dude

532
00:30:00,110 --> 00:29:58,020
big hexagon

533
00:30:04,490 --> 00:30:00,120
craft

534
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:04,500
and I said really we all watched it

535
00:30:16,310 --> 00:30:12,590
and he goes dude Star Wars just hexagon

536
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:17,570
now

537
00:30:22,010 --> 00:30:19,500
I uh

538
00:30:24,649 --> 00:30:22,020
I have not been able to get this out of

539
00:30:26,930 --> 00:30:24,659
my head now I've been looking now you

540
00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,940
know what you know that's 20 years ago

541
00:30:32,330 --> 00:30:29,039
now at the end of the 90s right 1999

542
00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:32,340
2000 2022 he said it was throughout the

543
00:30:35,510 --> 00:30:34,020
90s and

544
00:30:38,510 --> 00:30:35,520
um and this is the other thing that he

545
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:38,520
said uh that was very interesting but

546
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:41,039
think about that hexagon shape have you

547
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:44,880
ever heard of a report like that and

548
00:30:48,409 --> 00:30:46,500
people here in Palmdale man this is

549
00:30:49,549 --> 00:30:48,419
testing this is their job this is what

550
00:30:50,750 --> 00:30:49,559
they do they're not going to be talking

551
00:30:52,010 --> 00:30:50,760
about it they're not going to be taking

552
00:30:54,110 --> 00:30:52,020
pictures they're not going to be no

553
00:30:55,970 --> 00:30:54,120
there's some no no no

554
00:30:58,190 --> 00:30:55,980
no this is a different this is a

555
00:31:02,269 --> 00:30:58,200
different world here

556
00:31:10,850 --> 00:31:05,450
I mean for me he goes

557
00:31:14,810 --> 00:31:10,860
everything happens after Dark

558
00:31:17,090 --> 00:31:14,820
I go he goes man uh when I was a little

559
00:31:20,870 --> 00:31:17,100
kid I grew up on the North side of

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Lancaster and my dad worked at Edwards

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Air Force Base and he said over on the

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north side of Lancaster in between

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Palmdale and uh and Edwards Air Force

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Base everything was jumping off all the

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time just just insane technology

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um he said down here Palmdale the

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hexagons

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and I was like wow you said

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after after dusk yep yep cover of

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Darkness that's when that bass fires up

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note to self right

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this is Fade to Black we're going to be

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talking about all that tonight

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with the Wilson Davis document deep dive

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I am your host Jimmy Church stay right

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there this is Fade to Black

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two

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bombshell week I'm Yours chimney church

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hi this is Rob Reiner from Anvil and

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you're listening to Jimmy

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[Music]

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somebody

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oh my well there you go

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00:37:44,410 --> 00:37:42,599
my response was that's a cheap shot to

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00:37:48,589 --> 00:37:44,420
get a shout out but

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ah I didn't say your name that's what

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you get

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this is Fade to block I'm your chimney

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00:37:56,810 --> 00:37:53,820
church tonight a two and a half hour

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Deep dive into the Wilson Davis

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00:38:02,390 --> 00:37:59,579
documents

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00:38:03,710 --> 00:38:02,400
I've got plenty of coffee brewed up I am

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00:38:05,630 --> 00:38:03,720
going to need it

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00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:05,640
two and a half hour presentation is a

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00:38:13,010 --> 00:38:08,220
long thing it's a long thing to do but I

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00:38:15,589 --> 00:38:13,020
do enjoy it and uh I'll uh also be going

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00:38:17,990 --> 00:38:15,599
through your comments uh uh tonight too

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00:38:20,450 --> 00:38:18,000
as well and if there's any questions

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00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:20,460
that any of you have put it in all caps

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00:38:25,849 --> 00:38:24,000
and I will uh uh you know squeeze those

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00:38:30,170 --> 00:38:25,859
in too as well

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00:38:38,870 --> 00:38:31,670
the history

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00:38:41,630 --> 00:38:38,880
the document itself and and I'll get to

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00:38:48,170 --> 00:38:41,640
uh page one here in a second but the

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00:38:48,180 --> 00:38:52,670
um we have been oh man

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00:38:59,870 --> 00:38:56,930
we have been uh talking about the oak

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00:39:02,630 --> 00:38:59,880
Shannon notes and the Jack Houck notes

686
00:39:05,270 --> 00:39:02,640
uh uh we did that last night and I know

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00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:05,280
that a grant Cameron is over on spaced

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00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:07,980
out radio uh I think right now

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00:39:15,710 --> 00:39:11,220
uh continuing his discussion uh earlier

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00:39:19,310 --> 00:39:15,720
today uh Melinda Leslie and uh Nicole

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00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:19,320
sakich and Grant Cameron did like a

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00:39:24,770 --> 00:39:22,320
three or four hour run through on these

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00:39:27,190 --> 00:39:24,780
notes once again very important but

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00:39:33,050 --> 00:39:27,200
those notes are dated

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00:39:35,990 --> 00:39:33,060
1985 and which is uh also uh so relevant

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00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,000
in all of this because it shows how far

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00:39:41,270 --> 00:39:38,880
this history goes back and of course uh

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00:39:46,609 --> 00:39:41,280
the notes are centered around

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00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:46,619
the ATP working group and now I'm not

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00:39:51,650 --> 00:39:48,960
going to get into the notes specifically

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00:39:54,589 --> 00:39:51,660
tonight tonight I am going to

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uh focus on the Wilson Davis document

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00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:56,400
itself

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um now so the history of it uh goes like

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00:40:04,849 --> 00:40:01,740
this

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um as far as my knowledge and my

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00:40:08,990 --> 00:40:07,079
involvement with it and as this whole

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00:40:13,089 --> 00:40:09,000
thing broke loose

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00:40:15,290 --> 00:40:13,099
um it was I believe uh three years ago

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at the um

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00:40:22,010 --> 00:40:18,300
at the conscious life Expo uh in Los

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Angeles which is in February

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00:40:29,210 --> 00:40:24,380
um so that would have been February

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00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:29,220
2019. okay so uh I'm there and a grant

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00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:31,140
Cameron comes up to me uh with another

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00:40:37,550 --> 00:40:34,200
gentleman who I hadn't met yet uh who I

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00:40:41,410 --> 00:40:37,560
know now uh pretty well but um and and

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00:40:44,750 --> 00:40:41,420
Grant came up and he was visibly shaken

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00:40:47,510 --> 00:40:44,760
and he was acting nervous

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00:40:48,530 --> 00:40:47,520
okay so Jimmy

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00:40:53,569 --> 00:40:48,540
um

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00:40:55,970 --> 00:40:53,579
I was like man what's going on and

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00:40:58,130 --> 00:40:55,980
literally I said you know what's going

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00:41:00,109 --> 00:40:58,140
on I had to lawyer up this is my lawyer

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00:41:02,569 --> 00:41:00,119
and that was Michael C Hall

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00:41:06,230 --> 00:41:02,579
uh who the community now is uh very

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00:41:09,650 --> 00:41:06,240
familiar with and uh I said you had to

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00:41:12,589 --> 00:41:09,660
lawyer up for what these documents

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00:41:15,890 --> 00:41:12,599
um I'll tell you more I need some other

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00:41:18,770 --> 00:41:15,900
assurances and things but

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00:41:21,710 --> 00:41:18,780
um you'll see him in about two weeks

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00:41:26,390 --> 00:41:21,720
I was like okay

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00:41:29,089 --> 00:41:26,400
um and that and then uh over uh uh

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00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:29,099
immediately after that I was sent the

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00:41:36,829 --> 00:41:34,320
documents and that when I and and my

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00:41:39,530 --> 00:41:36,839
memory and I have to go back because I

737
00:41:42,170 --> 00:41:39,540
went to look I've changed email servers

738
00:41:46,310 --> 00:41:42,180
like three times and so I've got

739
00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:46,320
different archives of of my emails on on

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00:41:51,410 --> 00:41:49,560
different hard drives but uh I I did go

741
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:51,420
back and try to find the original email

742
00:41:57,710 --> 00:41:54,720
and I and I haven't found it

743
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:57,720
um but uh it's there I'm more concerned

744
00:42:04,970 --> 00:42:00,000
about the date because of when it was

745
00:42:06,829 --> 00:42:04,980
sent to me because my memory says that I

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00:42:09,230 --> 00:42:06,839
didn't open up the email for a couple of

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00:42:12,829 --> 00:42:09,240
weeks like you know it was a strange

748
00:42:14,990 --> 00:42:12,839
email and and there was things that when

749
00:42:18,050 --> 00:42:15,000
I and you know I'm just paranoid about

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00:42:22,370 --> 00:42:18,060
that stuff and viruses and things and

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00:42:23,270 --> 00:42:22,380
and but so finally I get around to doing

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00:42:27,290 --> 00:42:23,280
it

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00:42:30,170 --> 00:42:27,300
and uh I opened up the email I was like

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00:42:31,490 --> 00:42:30,180
you know and I and I do the download and

755
00:42:33,650 --> 00:42:31,500
I'm reading through and I was like is

756
00:42:37,670 --> 00:42:33,660
this what Grant was talking about

757
00:42:40,450 --> 00:42:37,680
and for some reason and I don't know why

758
00:42:44,089 --> 00:42:40,460
but I called Richard Dolan

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00:42:46,190 --> 00:42:44,099
and uh and there was like a conversation

760
00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:46,200
that happened that day anyway so I

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00:42:49,670 --> 00:42:47,940
called Richard I said you got these

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00:42:51,890 --> 00:42:49,680
documents he said I do

763
00:42:54,710 --> 00:42:51,900
have you read through them and he said

764
00:42:57,650 --> 00:42:54,720
I've been and so Richard and I read

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00:43:01,370 --> 00:42:57,660
through the documents page for page and

766
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:01,380
making mental notes uh to each other uh

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00:43:07,970 --> 00:43:04,319
about the documents the next after I

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00:43:11,150 --> 00:43:07,980
hung up with Richard I called Grant and

769
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:11,160
I said Grant I are these the documents

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00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:14,460
and he said I don't know are they I

771
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:15,599
don't know what you're looking at he's

772
00:43:21,890 --> 00:43:18,480
being so evasive I said well it's it's

773
00:43:24,290 --> 00:43:21,900
this thing it's the uh Eric Davis and

774
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:24,300
he's with an admiral and he goes those

775
00:43:29,270 --> 00:43:26,400
may be the you know where did you get

776
00:43:31,730 --> 00:43:29,280
them I said I got you know this email he

777
00:43:34,730 --> 00:43:31,740
goes okay all right well I think they're

778
00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:34,740
I think they were released

779
00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:36,900
um and and they're out and I was like

780
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,760
what what's going are these the

781
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:40,160
documents or not

782
00:43:48,230 --> 00:43:44,880
and uh Grant confirmed and then told me

783
00:43:52,370 --> 00:43:48,240
a little bit about the background of it

784
00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:52,380
um that they had come uh

785
00:43:57,530 --> 00:43:55,980
um uh you know if he came out of

786
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,540
Australia

787
00:44:01,970 --> 00:43:59,760
I think that's that's what he had said

788
00:44:06,410 --> 00:44:01,980
and

789
00:44:08,930 --> 00:44:06,420
um uh did he say okay so anyway there

790
00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:08,940
was this this mystery behind it

791
00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:11,099
the next day I read through the

792
00:44:18,170 --> 00:44:15,480
documents uh probably four or five times

793
00:44:19,970 --> 00:44:18,180
and the next day I called Stephen Greer

794
00:44:21,650 --> 00:44:19,980
because on the first page I think I

795
00:44:24,109 --> 00:44:21,660
think it's on the first page Greer is

796
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:24,119
mentioned and then he's mentioned later

797
00:44:28,250 --> 00:44:25,920
on and I've thought that that was pretty

798
00:44:30,349 --> 00:44:28,260
interesting kind of a strange thing and

799
00:44:32,410 --> 00:44:30,359
I called Stephen and I said do you know

800
00:44:35,329 --> 00:44:32,420
anything about this document he said no

801
00:44:37,970 --> 00:44:35,339
uh how did you get it I said man I did

802
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:37,980
it was sent to me anonymously I don't I

803
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:40,140
don't know is it real I said I don't

804
00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:42,240
know is it a government document no it's

805
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:44,400
not a government document it's like show

806
00:44:48,250 --> 00:44:45,540
notes

807
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:48,260
and he said okay so I sent it to Stephen

808
00:44:54,109 --> 00:44:52,319
and then uh later on that week I went on

809
00:44:57,010 --> 00:44:54,119
Coast to Coast I I think I brought

810
00:44:59,690 --> 00:44:57,020
Stephen Greer on on Coast to Coast

811
00:45:01,069 --> 00:44:59,700
and and we talked about the documents

812
00:45:02,569 --> 00:45:01,079
and took phone calls so it might have

813
00:45:04,010 --> 00:45:02,579
been my memory says it was a Friday

814
00:45:06,410 --> 00:45:04,020
night you'll have to go back and look at

815
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:06,420
the coast schedule uh around the dating

816
00:45:12,829 --> 00:45:09,119
of of all of this and how it went down

817
00:45:16,430 --> 00:45:12,839
um but that so that and and Richard uh

818
00:45:18,710 --> 00:45:16,440
went public with it uh immediately uh

819
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:18,720
then I I had Richard on Fade to Black

820
00:45:23,809 --> 00:45:21,000
that week I might have even had Greer on

821
00:45:25,250 --> 00:45:23,819
Fade to Black or so it was like a Wilson

822
00:45:28,849 --> 00:45:25,260
Davis week

823
00:45:31,370 --> 00:45:28,859
um and and then this this shout out into

824
00:45:35,210 --> 00:45:31,380
the community

825
00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:35,220
um now back then

826
00:45:41,809 --> 00:45:39,000
there was Richard Richard went all in

827
00:45:42,609 --> 00:45:41,819
now Richard

828
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:42,619
um

829
00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:45,599
okay so the history if I if I just stay

830
00:45:51,829 --> 00:45:48,480
on this Richard had mentioned

831
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:51,839
two pages of this document uh before on

832
00:45:56,750 --> 00:45:54,000
the show uh Richard's going to be on

833
00:45:58,970 --> 00:45:56,760
with us tomorrow night and uh Richard

834
00:46:01,670 --> 00:45:58,980
and I have talked about this so many

835
00:46:03,829 --> 00:46:01,680
times not only on the Arabic privately

836
00:46:07,010 --> 00:46:03,839
and trying to figure stuff out

837
00:46:09,650 --> 00:46:07,020
um but the one thing uh that he kept

838
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:09,660
going back to to me was Jimmy I talked

839
00:46:13,790 --> 00:46:11,040
about this on the show

840
00:46:16,250 --> 00:46:13,800
a couple of years ago with you

841
00:46:17,569 --> 00:46:16,260
and and I do remember that

842
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:17,579
um actually

843
00:46:23,510 --> 00:46:20,640
um and I think uh at one point uh this

844
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:23,520
is many years ago

845
00:46:30,109 --> 00:46:26,880
I had asked Richard so uh what's the

846
00:46:32,690 --> 00:46:30,119
secret what's the one thing what's the

847
00:46:34,370 --> 00:46:32,700
what and he said and I remember uh him

848
00:46:38,030 --> 00:46:34,380
answering going you know what I got

849
00:46:39,710 --> 00:46:38,040
these two two pages uh of this document

850
00:46:41,809 --> 00:46:39,720
that I've confirmed that is uh

851
00:46:45,470 --> 00:46:41,819
legitimate and it says this this this

852
00:46:48,370 --> 00:46:45,480
and this and Richard literally mentioned

853
00:46:52,010 --> 00:46:48,380
this document on the show years before

854
00:46:54,890 --> 00:46:52,020
uh the full 15 pages was released out

855
00:46:57,530 --> 00:46:54,900
into the public Richard had had the

856
00:47:01,069 --> 00:46:57,540
document for 10 years uh two pages uh

857
00:47:02,870 --> 00:47:01,079
from the document so uh now what does

858
00:47:04,730 --> 00:47:02,880
that mean in the big picture well it

859
00:47:08,030 --> 00:47:04,740
means a lot of different things but it

860
00:47:10,510 --> 00:47:08,040
certainly suggests uh that uh the

861
00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:10,520
document was out there uh going through

862
00:47:18,349 --> 00:47:14,220
uh specific circles for a number of

863
00:47:20,270 --> 00:47:18,359
years and again it's dated 2002 if

864
00:47:22,190 --> 00:47:20,280
Richard had it for 10 years he talked

865
00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:22,200
about it on Fade to Black probably 2015

866
00:47:27,290 --> 00:47:23,700
2016

867
00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:27,300
so that backs up into 2006 so Richard

868
00:47:32,809 --> 00:47:30,660
got two pages of the document a couple

869
00:47:35,510 --> 00:47:32,819
of years after Eric Davis typed this

870
00:47:37,790 --> 00:47:35,520
thing up that's that's a rough timeline

871
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:37,800
don't quote me on dates and and things

872
00:47:42,290 --> 00:47:40,260
like that but but my point is that this

873
00:47:45,290 --> 00:47:42,300
goes back a long ways and certainly

874
00:47:47,510 --> 00:47:45,300
Richard has been aware of it uh at least

875
00:47:49,670 --> 00:47:47,520
those two pages for a very very long

876
00:47:52,190 --> 00:47:49,680
time and he he knew that there was

877
00:47:53,930 --> 00:47:52,200
something to this so

878
00:47:57,370 --> 00:47:53,940
um now

879
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:57,380
if we fast forward to

880
00:48:02,290 --> 00:48:00,480
2019 when the document started to hit

881
00:48:06,530 --> 00:48:02,300
out there

882
00:48:09,170 --> 00:48:06,540
I uh going through the document with

883
00:48:12,170 --> 00:48:09,180
different people not only Richard and

884
00:48:14,809 --> 00:48:12,180
Stephen Greer but others

885
00:48:17,809 --> 00:48:14,819
um uh of course I I went through it with

886
00:48:20,270 --> 00:48:17,819
Linda Moulton Howe I went through it uh

887
00:48:23,150 --> 00:48:20,280
with Danny Sheehan

888
00:48:26,390 --> 00:48:23,160
um and and a few others

889
00:48:29,569 --> 00:48:26,400
um and there were some names in here now

890
00:48:31,250 --> 00:48:29,579
I don't pretend to know everything no I

891
00:48:32,809 --> 00:48:31,260
do pretend to know everything I don't

892
00:48:35,870 --> 00:48:32,819
know everything but there were some

893
00:48:38,569 --> 00:48:35,880
names in this document uh that I had

894
00:48:40,430 --> 00:48:38,579
never heard of before and certainly Oak

895
00:48:43,069 --> 00:48:40,440
Shannon

896
00:48:44,809 --> 00:48:43,079
um and on on the last page of the

897
00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:44,819
document and we'll get to that there's a

898
00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:46,560
lady's name there

899
00:48:53,930 --> 00:48:49,740
um that is obviously of import uh to

900
00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:53,940
Eric Davis and and Admiral Wilson and

901
00:48:57,290 --> 00:48:55,500
we'll get to her too as well I'd never

902
00:48:58,849 --> 00:48:57,300
heard of her now there are other names

903
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,859
in the document that we're all familiar

904
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:00,000
with

905
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:03,359
um Hal put off and and kit green and and

906
00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:07,680
uh Miller and and so forth and okay so

907
00:49:13,790 --> 00:49:11,220
um but there was this thing about it as

908
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:13,800
I read through it

909
00:49:20,329 --> 00:49:17,760
that said to me that this event actually

910
00:49:23,569 --> 00:49:20,339
happened that this conversation actually

911
00:49:25,550 --> 00:49:23,579
went down between Eric Davis and Admiral

912
00:49:28,730 --> 00:49:25,560
Wilson

913
00:49:31,550 --> 00:49:28,740
um there's another part of this when I

914
00:49:34,790 --> 00:49:31,560
say that the document is real

915
00:49:36,890 --> 00:49:34,800
well it is real it's somebody's notes

916
00:49:40,490 --> 00:49:36,900
right now is it an official government

917
00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:40,500
document no but is the document an

918
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:43,020
actual document yes it is

919
00:49:50,390 --> 00:49:46,440
typed by who well okay was it Eric Davis

920
00:49:53,329 --> 00:49:50,400
what is this a product of Eric Davis and

921
00:49:54,890 --> 00:49:53,339
I think that today as we look at

922
00:49:56,390 --> 00:49:54,900
everything else that has happened and

923
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,400
I'm talking about the oak Shanna notes

924
00:50:00,349 --> 00:49:58,800
the Jack Houck notes

925
00:50:01,970 --> 00:50:00,359
um and some of the comments from people

926
00:50:03,710 --> 00:50:01,980
and of course Oak Shannon's interview

927
00:50:06,530 --> 00:50:03,720
that he just did a couple of days ago

928
00:50:08,210 --> 00:50:06,540
when he just came out of the Shadows

929
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:08,220
um I think that it all points back to

930
00:50:13,910 --> 00:50:09,440
this document

931
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:13,920
uh being a transcription

932
00:50:21,950 --> 00:50:17,760
by Eric Davis of a conversation that he

933
00:50:25,970 --> 00:50:21,960
had in the back of a car behind the EG

934
00:50:28,130 --> 00:50:25,980
and G building in Las Vegas and so we're

935
00:50:29,630 --> 00:50:28,140
going to start there why is that

936
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:29,640
important

937
00:50:35,390 --> 00:50:32,640
EG and G I'm going to pull up the

938
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:35,400
document here in just a second EG and G

939
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:38,240
for all of you

940
00:50:42,849 --> 00:50:41,760
the crazy part about EG and G is E G and

941
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:42,859
G

942
00:50:51,890 --> 00:50:46,880
is at McCarran airport in Las Vegas

943
00:50:56,150 --> 00:50:51,900
where an airline run by EG and G called

944
00:51:00,530 --> 00:50:56,160
Janet Airlines takes off and lands every

945
00:51:04,609 --> 00:51:00,540
day at McCarran airport with workers

946
00:51:07,549 --> 00:51:04,619
to and from area 51.

947
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:07,559
so what an interesting scenario here

948
00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:11,119
that this entire document

949
00:51:17,049 --> 00:51:13,800
conversation event

950
00:51:19,370 --> 00:51:17,059
starts behind the EG and G building

951
00:51:22,069 --> 00:51:19,380
right there in front of the Janet

952
00:51:25,970 --> 00:51:22,079
Airlines uh Jets

953
00:51:29,450 --> 00:51:25,980
and this clandestine Cloak and Dagger

954
00:51:32,329 --> 00:51:29,460
conversation about UFOs goes down in the

955
00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:32,339
back of a car and these are the notes

956
00:51:39,530 --> 00:51:34,740
and that was the location

957
00:51:41,930 --> 00:51:39,540
so let's start here this is page one

958
00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:41,940
this is the cover page

959
00:51:46,270 --> 00:51:45,240
it's page one it's 15 pages this is page

960
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:46,280
one

961
00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:49,200
and so let's start here at the top of

962
00:51:55,670 --> 00:51:52,920
the page you can see it says e Eric W

963
00:52:00,410 --> 00:51:55,680
Davis ewd notes

964
00:52:03,530 --> 00:52:00,420
and here is the date 10 16 2002.

965
00:52:07,609 --> 00:52:03,540
okay and underneath that it says Eric

966
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:07,619
Davis meeting with Admiral Wilson

967
00:52:12,650 --> 00:52:10,559
now oh okay and as we go through this

968
00:52:15,950 --> 00:52:12,660
there are names and last names of first

969
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:15,960
names uh I I that I don't necessarily

970
00:52:21,349 --> 00:52:19,680
know okay and we may never know

971
00:52:23,390 --> 00:52:21,359
um and it starts off this way it says

972
00:52:26,809 --> 00:52:23,400
Rich says

973
00:52:30,290 --> 00:52:26,819
to go to EG and G special projects

974
00:52:33,170 --> 00:52:30,300
building at Greer and Paradise Greer and

975
00:52:36,829 --> 00:52:33,180
Paradise or two Paradise Road in Las

976
00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:36,839
Vegas uh Greer and Paradise meet at 10

977
00:52:43,329 --> 00:52:39,960
A.M don't be late

978
00:52:46,849 --> 00:52:43,339
all right now then it goes 10 10

979
00:52:49,910 --> 00:52:46,859
Admiral late arrives with two Navy

980
00:52:53,150 --> 00:52:49,920
officers in uniform he's in a suit now

981
00:52:56,329 --> 00:52:53,160
civilian in uniform one full Lieutenant

982
00:52:57,589 --> 00:52:56,339
one Commander a petty officer drives

983
00:53:01,130 --> 00:52:57,599
Carr

984
00:53:04,010 --> 00:53:01,140
greetings with Admiral Wilson we sit in

985
00:53:08,270 --> 00:53:04,020
his car in back of the EG building talk

986
00:53:10,970 --> 00:53:08,280
until 11 20 a.m others departed for

987
00:53:14,870 --> 00:53:10,980
building to attend a meeting inside at

988
00:53:18,170 --> 00:53:14,880
10 10 p.m so this entire conversation is

989
00:53:22,069 --> 00:53:18,180
about an hour and 10 minutes long

990
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:22,079
all right Tom Wilson that's TW

991
00:53:27,589 --> 00:53:25,680
hello the minute I saw this is uh this

992
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:27,599
was part of my highlights uh from

993
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,440
earlier today was these uh three

994
00:53:35,270 --> 00:53:33,119
paragraphs right here so we're going to

995
00:53:37,069 --> 00:53:35,280
start here with with some pretty extreme

996
00:53:40,010 --> 00:53:37,079
highlights

997
00:53:42,950 --> 00:53:40,020
hello the minute I saw your e uh your

998
00:53:46,730 --> 00:53:42,960
Eric W Davis name a resume

999
00:53:49,849 --> 00:53:46,740
U.S uniform services ID copy Air Force

1000
00:53:51,890 --> 00:53:49,859
orders and physics paper rich gave I

1001
00:53:54,290 --> 00:53:51,900
knew who you were put two and two

1002
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:54,300
together figured you out figured who you

1003
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:57,599
were laughs you don't want to talk about

1004
00:54:03,829 --> 00:54:01,440
my career or Dia history defense

1005
00:54:07,609 --> 00:54:03,839
intelligence agency history

1006
00:54:11,750 --> 00:54:07,619
Eric W Davis ewd says no actually not

1007
00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:11,760
Tom Wilson I recalled a phone call and

1008
00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:15,240
here is where things immediately get

1009
00:54:19,490 --> 00:54:17,460
interesting

1010
00:54:21,790 --> 00:54:19,500
remember Oak Shannon who I've never

1011
00:54:24,650 --> 00:54:21,800
heard of before this document

1012
00:54:27,470 --> 00:54:24,660
uh just did an interview for the first

1013
00:54:29,990 --> 00:54:27,480
time three days ago four days ago now

1014
00:54:32,809 --> 00:54:30,000
okay here we go

1015
00:54:37,730 --> 00:54:32,819
I recalled a phone call with Oak Shannon

1016
00:54:41,329 --> 00:54:37,740
in Fall August of 99. Big Oak Shannon

1017
00:54:44,089 --> 00:54:41,339
fan go back years in the Navy before Oak

1018
00:54:45,650 --> 00:54:44,099
left four Los Alamos National

1019
00:54:48,049 --> 00:54:45,660
Laboratories

1020
00:54:52,010 --> 00:54:48,059
Tom Wilson continues with Oak talked for

1021
00:54:55,309 --> 00:54:52,020
two hours wanted to convince to talk to

1022
00:54:58,430 --> 00:54:55,319
me uh Eric W Davis about what he told

1023
00:55:05,569 --> 00:55:02,630
um uh Circa June 97 in April of 97 in

1024
00:55:10,670 --> 00:55:05,579
reference to the Boston Globe Story by

1025
00:55:15,290 --> 00:55:10,680
Leslie Kane yep UFO topic crashed

1026
00:55:19,609 --> 00:55:15,300
retrieved UFO craft bodies Etc mj-12

1027
00:55:23,410 --> 00:55:19,619
like UFO organization or cabal

1028
00:55:26,089 --> 00:55:23,420
all right Eric W Davis then replies with

1029
00:55:28,089 --> 00:55:26,099
what was said

1030
00:55:31,490 --> 00:55:28,099
he says

1031
00:55:34,670 --> 00:55:31,500
confirmed Greer Stephen Greer will

1032
00:55:37,130 --> 00:55:34,680
Miller Edgar Mitchell

1033
00:55:40,010 --> 00:55:37,140
gave a talk in the Pentagon conference

1034
00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:40,020
room Admiral Mike Crawford General Pat

1035
00:55:45,170 --> 00:55:42,180
Hughes Hughes his boss were present

1036
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:45,180
others too date was April of 97 Ed

1037
00:55:52,250 --> 00:55:49,200
Mitchell said this on 4997 after group

1038
00:55:55,490 --> 00:55:52,260
broke up Miller and Wilson talked

1039
00:55:59,750 --> 00:55:55,500
privately two hours on UFOs mj-12

1040
00:56:02,930 --> 00:55:59,760
Roswell crashed UFO's alien bodies Etc

1041
00:56:05,750 --> 00:56:02,940
right Tom Wilson is intrigued and knew

1042
00:56:08,569 --> 00:56:05,760
about Intelligence on U.S military Intel

1043
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:08,579
UFO close encounters and foreign

1044
00:56:15,170 --> 00:56:11,280
government encounters he has seen

1045
00:56:17,349 --> 00:56:15,180
records and he told Will Miller

1046
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:17,359
that right there is one of the most

1047
00:56:22,730 --> 00:56:19,800
extraordinary that is the opening that

1048
00:56:23,770 --> 00:56:22,740
is page one that is the opening Salvo in

1049
00:56:26,569 --> 00:56:23,780
this

1050
00:56:27,609 --> 00:56:26,579
extraordinary statements are being made

1051
00:56:29,390 --> 00:56:27,619
here

1052
00:56:32,630 --> 00:56:29,400
extraordinary

1053
00:56:36,910 --> 00:56:32,640
Tom Wilson says yes Miller asked the

1054
00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:36,920
question on mj-12 UFO cabal crashed UFO

1055
00:56:43,549 --> 00:56:40,020
confirmed he called Miller circuit late

1056
00:56:47,630 --> 00:56:43,559
June 97 and told that he Miller was

1057
00:56:49,069 --> 00:56:47,640
right there is such an organization in

1058
00:56:54,290 --> 00:56:49,079
existence

1059
00:56:57,650 --> 00:56:54,300
now page one ends with what did you tell

1060
00:57:00,890 --> 00:56:57,660
now if we back up and what is important

1061
00:57:05,569 --> 00:57:00,900
in in this document right here is this

1062
00:57:08,630 --> 00:57:05,579
Oak Shannon uh quote because Oak said

1063
00:57:11,450 --> 00:57:08,640
the other day in his interview

1064
00:57:14,870 --> 00:57:11,460
he said yeah I talked to uh yeah I knew

1065
00:57:18,770 --> 00:57:14,880
uh Tom Miller and uh knew him quite well

1066
00:57:22,970 --> 00:57:18,780
actually and uh and he called and wanted

1067
00:57:24,589 --> 00:57:22,980
to know about uh Eric Davis now and I I

1068
00:57:26,690 --> 00:57:24,599
could I could go back and watch the

1069
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,700
interview again but I pretty much

1070
00:57:30,130 --> 00:57:28,559
believe that that is exactly what Oak

1071
00:57:33,170 --> 00:57:30,140
Shannon said

1072
00:57:35,390 --> 00:57:33,180
and Oak said hey man yeah I know Eric

1073
00:57:39,170 --> 00:57:35,400
Eric's a good guy he's a stand-up guy

1074
00:57:43,370 --> 00:57:39,180
and that's what Admiral Wilson uh wanted

1075
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:43,380
to talk about was Eric Davis now this is

1076
00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:46,559
from Oak Shannon's mouth

1077
00:57:51,589 --> 00:57:50,099
this is what he stated and this is what

1078
00:57:54,049 --> 00:57:51,599
is said

1079
00:57:56,990 --> 00:57:54,059
in this

1080
00:58:00,470 --> 00:57:57,000
now is it confirmation that this is real

1081
00:58:01,430 --> 00:58:00,480
well okay and not in of itself of course

1082
00:58:03,109 --> 00:58:01,440
not

1083
00:58:04,910 --> 00:58:03,119
but it would certainly if you are

1084
00:58:08,030 --> 00:58:04,920
vetting something and you're putting the

1085
00:58:09,829 --> 00:58:08,040
pieces of the puzzle together here we

1086
00:58:13,250 --> 00:58:09,839
have this and then we go back to the

1087
00:58:15,650 --> 00:58:13,260
ocean notes and the Jack Hulk notes and

1088
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:15,660
this document and again Oak Shannon

1089
00:58:19,809 --> 00:58:17,280
being at the center of this to support

1090
00:58:23,329 --> 00:58:19,819
all of this nobody else has come out uh

1091
00:58:25,370 --> 00:58:23,339
uh Admiral Wilson sorta there he's been

1092
00:58:27,230 --> 00:58:25,380
contacted by a couple of journalists he

1093
00:58:29,990 --> 00:58:27,240
is denying all of this and of course he

1094
00:58:32,030 --> 00:58:30,000
says in this document that if any of

1095
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:32,040
this goes public he's denying that he

1096
00:58:36,170 --> 00:58:34,020
ever met Eric Davis that he ever knew

1097
00:58:38,390 --> 00:58:36,180
Eric Davis he will deny that this

1098
00:58:40,730 --> 00:58:38,400
conversation ever occurred and we will

1099
00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:40,740
get to that later which of course is

1100
00:58:44,450 --> 00:58:42,180
what happened because when the document

1101
00:58:47,930 --> 00:58:44,460
came out people reached out to Admiral

1102
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,940
Wilson and wanted to know now here's the

1103
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:50,160
question as we head to a break and uh

1104
00:58:53,870 --> 00:58:51,839
we're going to continue on to page two

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is that

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are the UFO hearings going to happen in

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00:59:01,849 --> 00:58:59,220
2022 we're now at the end of September

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00:59:04,370 --> 00:59:01,859
October 1st is happening in a couple of

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00:59:07,670 --> 00:59:04,380
days uh so we've got three months

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00:59:10,670 --> 00:59:07,680
October November December left uh one

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00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:10,680
quarter right uh uh left quarter number

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00:59:15,890 --> 00:59:13,260
four in 2022 are we going to get

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00:59:18,770 --> 00:59:15,900
additional UFO hearings on Capitol Hill

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00:59:21,349 --> 00:59:18,780
either in the house or in the Senate I

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00:59:24,589 --> 00:59:21,359
don't know but I think it would be very

1116
00:59:27,970 --> 00:59:24,599
interesting if Eric Davis

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00:59:31,789 --> 00:59:27,980
and Admiral Wilson retired

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00:59:33,770 --> 00:59:31,799
uh get called forward as as Witnesses uh

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00:59:36,650 --> 00:59:33,780
to testify and talk about this document

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00:59:40,010 --> 00:59:36,660
because this document is now part of the

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00:59:42,049 --> 00:59:40,020
record with the house subcommittee

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00:59:45,230 --> 00:59:42,059
okay let's take our break right here

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00:59:47,329 --> 00:59:45,240
this is Fade to Black this is uh an

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00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:47,339
extraordinary week

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00:59:51,170 --> 00:59:48,720
um I think that Oak Shannon coming

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00:59:54,829 --> 00:59:51,180
forward uh very courageous

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00:59:56,329 --> 00:59:54,839
yeah I I I don't think that uh he had

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00:59:59,150 --> 00:59:56,339
any idea

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01:00:01,670 --> 00:59:59,160
uh that this was going to happen

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01:00:03,650 --> 01:00:01,680
his name being talked about all over

1131
01:00:05,450 --> 01:00:03,660
inside of the UFO community and I want

1132
01:00:06,530 --> 01:00:05,460
to make one more point this is point

1133
01:00:09,770 --> 01:00:06,540
number two

1134
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:09,780
that the UFO Community always gets it

1135
01:00:13,549 --> 01:00:10,799
done

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01:00:15,410 --> 01:00:13,559
all right now this document did make its

1137
01:00:18,230 --> 01:00:15,420
way through Gallagher and made its way

1138
01:00:21,289 --> 01:00:18,240
into the house subcommittee and the UFO

1139
01:00:24,349 --> 01:00:21,299
hearing and was put into the record

1140
01:00:26,390 --> 01:00:24,359
um uh yes that is great but it was the

1141
01:00:28,849 --> 01:00:26,400
UFO community that brought this document

1142
01:00:33,770 --> 01:00:28,859
forward nobody else not the government

1143
01:00:36,770 --> 01:00:33,780
no no not not the Navy not a tip and not

1144
01:00:39,109 --> 01:00:36,780
the UFO task force the UAP task force no

1145
01:00:40,849 --> 01:00:39,119
none of that happened Oak Shannon coming

1146
01:00:43,490 --> 01:00:40,859
forward that wasn't because of the house

1147
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:43,500
that wasn't because of Marco Rubio or

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01:00:49,069 --> 01:00:46,559
Jayla brand no or anybody else melon

1149
01:00:52,190 --> 01:00:49,079
right no no that's that's not what

1150
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:52,200
happened here this is going on because

1151
01:00:58,130 --> 01:00:55,680
it's members of the UFO community and uh

1152
01:01:01,730 --> 01:00:58,140
specifically Richard Dolan Grant Cameron

1153
01:01:03,890 --> 01:01:01,740
and Melinda Leslie and others that have

1154
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:03,900
done this so you really need to think

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01:01:08,210 --> 01:01:06,480
about that and that's why the UFO

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Community is important and no matter

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01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:11,579
what happens it's the UFO community that

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01:01:16,430 --> 01:01:14,220
will be moving forward never forget that

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01:01:18,829 --> 01:01:16,440
this is Fade to Black I am your host

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Jimmy church tonight a two and a half

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hour Deep dive into the Wilson Davis

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document that's right

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bombshell week here on Fade to Black I'm

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Yours Timmy Church stay with us we'll be

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right back after this short break

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[Music]

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thank you

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this is baked black with Jimmy Church on

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holds the lucky pony record for the best

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[Music]

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01:06:47,930 --> 01:06:46,319
church tonight special guest is me

1262
01:06:50,990 --> 01:06:47,940
half hour Deep dive into the Wilson

1263
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:51,000
Davis document and again you know the

1264
01:06:55,730 --> 01:06:52,559
confusion out there in the community

1265
01:06:58,069 --> 01:06:55,740
what what do we I just did an entire

1266
01:07:01,010 --> 01:06:58,079
segment on what this document is where

1267
01:07:03,109 --> 01:07:01,020
it came from and it's important and if

1268
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:03,119
you came in late to the show you got to

1269
01:07:06,289 --> 01:07:04,559
go back and listen to it I'm not going

1270
01:07:09,410 --> 01:07:06,299
to review all of that number one number

1271
01:07:12,650 --> 01:07:09,420
two I also stated in the beginning of

1272
01:07:15,529 --> 01:07:12,660
the show that this has Now supported by

1273
01:07:16,329 --> 01:07:15,539
uh other uh documents that have come

1274
01:07:20,930 --> 01:07:16,339
forward

1275
01:07:23,150 --> 01:07:20,940
uh the oak Shannon notes that Grant

1276
01:07:25,789 --> 01:07:23,160
Cameron has had for 20 years that were

1277
01:07:28,609 --> 01:07:25,799
given to him by Eric Davis who wrote

1278
01:07:31,309 --> 01:07:28,619
this document okay so there was that he

1279
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:31,319
got those documents from the oak Shannon

1280
01:07:37,849 --> 01:07:34,079
notes from Eric Davis 20 years ago

1281
01:07:41,630 --> 01:07:37,859
Melinda Leslie has had Jack houck's

1282
01:07:45,170 --> 01:07:41,640
notes of the ATP working group meeting

1283
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:45,180
that happened back in 1985 and her notes

1284
01:07:51,410 --> 01:07:48,960
are now part of this too as well and

1285
01:07:55,250 --> 01:07:51,420
Jack how and of course Oak Shannon were

1286
01:07:59,650 --> 01:07:55,260
part of this ATP working group uh that

1287
01:08:02,569 --> 01:07:59,660
took place in 1985. we did a complete

1288
01:08:04,930 --> 01:08:02,579
overview of all of that and revealed

1289
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:04,940
those documents last night on the show

1290
01:08:09,230 --> 01:08:07,440
if you missed last night's show now you

1291
01:08:11,270 --> 01:08:09,240
can go back and watch that and

1292
01:08:15,289 --> 01:08:11,280
understand how all of this supports each

1293
01:08:18,410 --> 01:08:15,299
other there is a fourth part to this uh

1294
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,420
chess board and that is Oak Shannon who

1295
01:08:23,630 --> 01:08:20,640
I just pointed out whose name is on the

1296
01:08:25,209 --> 01:08:23,640
first page of these notes and as

1297
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:25,219
mentioned later

1298
01:08:31,370 --> 01:08:29,040
he has now come forward and done an

1299
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:31,380
interview and that interview is also out

1300
01:08:35,630 --> 01:08:34,080
there on the internet you can go and and

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01:08:39,229 --> 01:08:35,640
watch that for yourself it's all very

1302
01:08:41,990 --> 01:08:39,239
fascinating this is a huge bombshell and

1303
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:42,000
uh Richard Dolan who went all in in the

1304
01:08:46,910 --> 01:08:43,440
very beginning saying

1305
01:08:50,390 --> 01:08:46,920
at this document is probably the most

1306
01:08:54,169 --> 01:08:50,400
important UFO document of the century

1307
01:08:57,229 --> 01:08:54,179
it's big words Richard went all in and

1308
01:08:59,030 --> 01:08:57,239
took a lot of criticism by saying

1309
01:09:01,789 --> 01:08:59,040
something so bold but he knew things

1310
01:09:04,729 --> 01:09:01,799
that the rest of you uh including myself

1311
01:09:06,229 --> 01:09:04,739
uh just did not know about Richard does

1312
01:09:08,510 --> 01:09:06,239
his own research he's got his own

1313
01:09:10,910 --> 01:09:08,520
contacts and relationships out there

1314
01:09:14,390 --> 01:09:10,920
and he has had his own independent

1315
01:09:16,430 --> 01:09:14,400
conversation uh and confirmation about

1316
01:09:18,410 --> 01:09:16,440
this document and when it was written

1317
01:09:21,470 --> 01:09:18,420
and when it was originally distributed

1318
01:09:24,349 --> 01:09:21,480
so that being said

1319
01:09:28,370 --> 01:09:24,359
let's go to page two at the bottom of

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01:09:30,470 --> 01:09:28,380
page one and you can see here uh you can

1321
01:09:33,890 --> 01:09:30,480
see the one right there's the one this

1322
01:09:35,329 --> 01:09:33,900
is the bottom of page one where Admiral

1323
01:09:37,370 --> 01:09:35,339
Wilson

1324
01:09:39,249 --> 01:09:37,380
um now Eric Davis is a physicist he's

1325
01:09:44,209 --> 01:09:39,259
been a part of the UFO

1326
01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:44,219
uh uh knowledge base uh he has worked

1327
01:09:48,650 --> 01:09:46,380
with different groups

1328
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:48,660
um inside of the government uh as a

1329
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:51,359
physicist I think his specialty has

1330
01:09:57,229 --> 01:09:54,239
always been a propulsion systems and and

1331
01:09:59,330 --> 01:09:57,239
wormholes and in the physics behind that

1332
01:10:02,689 --> 01:09:59,340
in space travel other things too as well

1333
01:10:04,310 --> 01:10:02,699
but he has been at the center of UFO

1334
01:10:07,550 --> 01:10:04,320
research

1335
01:10:11,030 --> 01:10:07,560
um so there's that part uh rear Admiral

1336
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:11,040
Wilson at the time was the deputy

1337
01:10:17,390 --> 01:10:13,679
director of the defense intelligence

1338
01:10:19,850 --> 01:10:17,400
agency that was in 1985 during the

1339
01:10:23,870 --> 01:10:19,860
working group uh J2

1340
01:10:26,689 --> 01:10:23,880
and a very important person in the

1341
01:10:29,750 --> 01:10:26,699
government and of course in intelligence

1342
01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:29,760
the defense intelligence agency at the

1343
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:32,239
time of this conversation in

1344
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:37,440
2002 he was retired okay even though he

1345
01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:41,760
had uh uh enlisted uh personnel with him

1346
01:10:47,630 --> 01:10:44,400
that uh were escorting him to this

1347
01:10:50,510 --> 01:10:47,640
meeting at EG and also he had a driver

1348
01:10:53,570 --> 01:10:50,520
that was I think uh listed here as a

1349
01:10:56,450 --> 01:10:53,580
petty officer so that's that so at the

1350
01:11:00,050 --> 01:10:56,460
bottom of page one

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01:11:04,270 --> 01:11:00,060
Wilson says yes Miller asked the

1352
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:04,280
question on mj-12 UFO cabal crashed UFO

1353
01:11:09,470 --> 01:11:07,440
confirmed he called Miller that Admiral

1354
01:11:13,130 --> 01:11:09,480
Wilson uh called Miller

1355
01:11:18,290 --> 01:11:13,140
around late June 97 and and told that

1356
01:11:22,189 --> 01:11:18,300
Miller he Miller was right there is such

1357
01:11:28,750 --> 01:11:22,199
an organization in existence some type

1358
01:11:30,910 --> 01:11:28,760
of mj-12 UFO cabal and then Eric W Davis

1359
01:11:36,169 --> 01:11:30,920
asked this question

1360
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:36,179
what did you tell now let's go to the

1361
01:11:40,130 --> 01:11:37,679
next page

1362
01:11:42,410 --> 01:11:40,140
this is page two of the document you can

1363
01:11:46,250 --> 01:11:42,420
see it right there there's page two

1364
01:11:48,950 --> 01:11:46,260
and uh and check this out

1365
01:11:52,550 --> 01:11:48,960
he says uh Admiral Wilson says I found

1366
01:11:55,970 --> 01:11:52,560
it where I looked who I talked to they

1367
01:11:59,810 --> 01:11:55,980
did not name everyone that's it Eric

1368
01:12:02,050 --> 01:11:59,820
Davis says I show Miller letter to me

1369
01:12:05,209 --> 01:12:02,060
Eric W Davis dated

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01:12:07,550 --> 01:12:05,219
425 2002.

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01:12:11,689 --> 01:12:07,560
please evaluate he's got a letter with

1372
01:12:13,130 --> 01:12:11,699
him and he hands it to Admiral Wilson I

1373
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:13,140
have the letter here and we're going to

1374
01:12:18,709 --> 01:12:15,600
go through that Admiral Wilson laughs

1375
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,719
didn't tell Miller everything Miller

1376
01:12:23,450 --> 01:12:20,880
knows what I did in Pentagon records

1377
01:12:25,790 --> 01:12:23,460
group uh search but no more Miller can

1378
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:25,800
make good educated guess on who

1379
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,719
contractors has alien Hardware that's

1380
01:12:34,250 --> 01:12:32,159
right here

1381
01:12:37,490 --> 01:12:34,260
do not pay Miller

1382
01:12:39,590 --> 01:12:37,500
sounds hard to pay for nice Florida home

1383
01:12:41,750 --> 01:12:39,600
and private beach privilege and they

1384
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:41,760
laugh that's because of the content of

1385
01:12:44,330 --> 01:12:42,960
the letter we're going to get to that

1386
01:12:46,790 --> 01:12:44,340
just a second

1387
01:12:49,970 --> 01:12:46,800
Miller can give good advice on which

1388
01:12:53,330 --> 01:12:49,980
defense companies to look at that's all

1389
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:53,340
he knows changes subject okay now we've

1390
01:12:59,570 --> 01:12:57,120
got one two three four points all around

1391
01:13:04,490 --> 01:12:59,580
Oak Shannon

1392
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:04,500
Oak told all about J.A doesn't trust J.A

1393
01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:10,400
a liar AP 10 group meetings at BDM now

1394
01:13:16,010 --> 01:13:14,100
the ATP working group that's uh the oak

1395
01:13:18,830 --> 01:13:16,020
Shannon notes that we went over last

1396
01:13:21,950 --> 01:13:18,840
night the Jack Hawk notes uh from Grant

1397
01:13:24,790 --> 01:13:21,960
Cameron and Melinda Leslie that's the AP

1398
01:13:28,070 --> 01:13:24,800
10 group right the ATP

1399
01:13:32,270 --> 01:13:28,080
references Bloom's book talked about J.A

1400
01:13:34,130 --> 01:13:32,280
Bloom's book his Oak's role there who

1401
01:13:35,870 --> 01:13:34,140
attended that's the meeting that we

1402
01:13:38,510 --> 01:13:35,880
talked about last night if you missed it

1403
01:13:40,430 --> 01:13:38,520
Go and listen to last night's show and

1404
01:13:44,450 --> 01:13:40,440
you can look at the documents Oak

1405
01:13:46,910 --> 01:13:44,460
briefed me on the whole BDM thing that's

1406
01:13:49,189 --> 01:13:46,920
the location where they talked talked

1407
01:13:52,270 --> 01:13:49,199
about the RV program for 10 minutes I

1408
01:13:56,930 --> 01:13:52,280
know something of this RV remote viewing

1409
01:13:59,390 --> 01:13:56,940
Oak said I Eric W Davis was a team

1410
01:14:02,810 --> 01:13:59,400
player and this is what oh Shannon said

1411
01:14:05,149 --> 01:14:02,820
the other day in his interview and of

1412
01:14:07,310 --> 01:14:05,159
course it is part of the notes

1413
01:14:08,390 --> 01:14:07,320
Oak said that Eric Davis was a team

1414
01:14:12,350 --> 01:14:08,400
player

1415
01:14:14,810 --> 01:14:12,360
yeah I would keep my mouth shut no media

1416
01:14:17,870 --> 01:14:14,820
connections I would obey all

1417
01:14:20,209 --> 01:14:17,880
restrictions not in government no

1418
01:14:22,669 --> 01:14:20,219
clearances but pedigree is excellent

1419
01:14:23,930 --> 01:14:22,679
professional personal references very

1420
01:14:26,570 --> 01:14:23,940
excellent

1421
01:14:30,110 --> 01:14:26,580
and uh now what is interesting about

1422
01:14:33,290 --> 01:14:30,120
this this is exactly what Oak Shannon

1423
01:14:37,729 --> 01:14:33,300
said the other night in his interview

1424
01:14:38,689 --> 01:14:37,739
okay all right now the letter from will

1425
01:14:43,070 --> 01:14:38,699
Miller

1426
01:14:46,490 --> 01:14:43,080
here it is now uh you look here it's uh

1427
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:46,500
from Florida there's the address right

1428
01:14:54,649 --> 01:14:51,360
Eric W Davis CEO warp drive metrics uh

1429
01:14:57,770 --> 01:14:54,659
Las Vegas Nevada dear Eric

1430
01:15:01,729 --> 01:14:57,780
this is from will Miller talking and uh

1431
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:01,739
I need to go back and and reference what

1432
01:15:06,410 --> 01:15:03,600
Admiral Wilson said on page two which

1433
01:15:09,110 --> 01:15:06,420
was do not pay will Miller

1434
01:15:11,689 --> 01:15:09,120
okay why would he say that it's because

1435
01:15:14,450 --> 01:15:11,699
of this letter I must apologize to you

1436
01:15:17,090 --> 01:15:14,460
and Hal Hal put off for not getting back

1437
01:15:19,729 --> 01:15:17,100
with you sooner the fog of War current

1438
01:15:21,950 --> 01:15:19,739
business activity and losing your new

1439
01:15:24,890 --> 01:15:21,960
email address I'll come to all

1440
01:15:27,229 --> 01:15:24,900
contributed to the delay which I regret

1441
01:15:30,410 --> 01:15:27,239
all right second paragraph first I must

1442
01:15:32,450 --> 01:15:30,420
ask you and and or how would be

1443
01:15:35,149 --> 01:15:32,460
interested in meeting with Mr Bob

1444
01:15:37,790 --> 01:15:35,159
Beckwith in Tallahassee Florida the

1445
01:15:39,770 --> 01:15:37,800
evening of May 30th Bob has been invited

1446
01:15:42,169 --> 01:15:39,780
to meet with the head of the Florida

1447
01:15:44,990 --> 01:15:42,179
Academy of Sciences and the director of

1448
01:15:46,970 --> 01:15:45,000
the high magnetic field laboratory for a

1449
01:15:50,510 --> 01:15:46,980
Roundtable discussion of his Mr

1450
01:15:53,149 --> 01:15:50,520
beckwith's force model of the universe

1451
01:15:55,450 --> 01:15:53,159
and his planned experiments in LTT

1452
01:15:58,130 --> 01:15:55,460
levitation teleportation and time travel

1453
01:16:00,590 --> 01:15:58,140
among other subjects I believe that the

1454
01:16:02,270 --> 01:16:00,600
meeting date is now firm but that will

1455
01:16:06,470 --> 01:16:02,280
be determined in a conference call

1456
01:16:10,430 --> 01:16:06,480
Thursday the 25th of April next let me

1457
01:16:13,070 --> 01:16:10,440
respond to a few of you and of your and

1458
01:16:16,010 --> 01:16:13,080
Hal's previous questions of course Hal

1459
01:16:18,110 --> 01:16:16,020
being Hal put off I would be willing to

1460
01:16:19,870 --> 01:16:18,120
assist you in how with your ongoing

1461
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:19,880
Research into

1462
01:16:26,209 --> 01:16:23,760
UFO crash retrievals and the entities

1463
01:16:28,850 --> 01:16:26,219
within the government and or outside of

1464
01:16:31,729 --> 01:16:28,860
it that are involved in that business

1465
01:16:34,790 --> 01:16:31,739
with the following caveats

1466
01:16:37,370 --> 01:16:34,800
first there must be absolutely no

1467
01:16:40,729 --> 01:16:37,380
mention or Association of my name with

1468
01:16:43,070 --> 01:16:40,739
your work or investigation

1469
01:16:45,649 --> 01:16:43,080
I have absolutely nothing to gain from

1470
01:16:49,370 --> 01:16:45,659
such Association at this time and

1471
01:16:51,410 --> 01:16:49,380
possibly much to lose second I would

1472
01:16:53,750 --> 01:16:51,420
charge you only there it is right there

1473
01:16:55,790 --> 01:16:53,760
right I would charge you only for the

1474
01:16:59,209 --> 01:16:55,800
actual time I spend putting together

1475
01:17:02,270 --> 01:16:59,219
materials references or contact lists

1476
01:17:05,570 --> 01:17:02,280
for you to pursue I would expect that

1477
01:17:07,310 --> 01:17:05,580
time to be minimal since that initial

1478
01:17:09,169 --> 01:17:07,320
information would not take long to put

1479
01:17:12,350 --> 01:17:09,179
together probably less than eight hours

1480
01:17:14,090 --> 01:17:12,360
my standard rate for such work is one

1481
01:17:18,110 --> 01:17:14,100
hundred and eighty dollars per straight

1482
01:17:20,149 --> 01:17:18,120
time hour third nothing I would provide

1483
01:17:23,330 --> 01:17:20,159
you would be classified from a national

1484
01:17:26,750 --> 01:17:23,340
security perspective although I have had

1485
01:17:30,290 --> 01:17:26,760
held a top secret TS clearance with

1486
01:17:34,189 --> 01:17:30,300
access to special that's page one let's

1487
01:17:37,090 --> 01:17:34,199
go to page two of this letter and it is

1488
01:17:40,669 --> 01:17:37,100
this compartmented information

1489
01:17:43,310 --> 01:17:40,679
SCI and other special clearances for

1490
01:17:46,189 --> 01:17:43,320
other programs I currently do not work

1491
01:17:49,250 --> 01:17:46,199
in the classified realm nor do I hold

1492
01:17:52,070 --> 01:17:49,260
these clearances as I discussed with you

1493
01:17:54,169 --> 01:17:52,080
only by means of working on a current

1494
01:17:56,689 --> 01:17:54,179
classified government contract and

1495
01:17:59,090 --> 01:17:56,699
having the need to know and thus

1496
01:18:03,410 --> 01:17:59,100
requesting my previous clearances be

1497
01:18:07,070 --> 01:18:03,420
reinstated by DOD I would I again work

1498
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:07,080
in the classified realm now all that

1499
01:18:11,810 --> 01:18:09,600
said impending further discussion with

1500
01:18:13,930 --> 01:18:11,820
you and Hal on your ultimate objectives

1501
01:18:17,630 --> 01:18:13,940
for having such information

1502
01:18:18,890 --> 01:18:17,640
I could provide the following and

1503
01:18:21,669 --> 01:18:18,900
there's five

1504
01:18:25,430 --> 01:18:21,679
number one

1505
01:18:28,729 --> 01:18:25,440
particulars on a special team involved

1506
01:18:31,610 --> 01:18:28,739
as a secondary Mission with recovering

1507
01:18:34,790 --> 01:18:31,620
crashed craft including but not limited

1508
01:18:37,490 --> 01:18:34,800
to the previously classified F-117

1509
01:18:41,270 --> 01:18:37,500
Stealth fighter this team or its

1510
01:18:45,290 --> 01:18:41,280
successors is a parent sponsoring entity

1511
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:45,300
and it's two key officers May provide

1512
01:18:50,450 --> 01:18:48,000
some of the information that you seek

1513
01:18:54,649 --> 01:18:50,460
talking about crashed UFOs and the

1514
01:18:57,649 --> 01:18:54,659
recovery of those craft Point number two

1515
01:18:59,810 --> 01:18:57,659
the name and last location of a senior

1516
01:19:02,149 --> 01:18:59,820
officer who I believe had first-hand

1517
01:19:04,930 --> 01:19:02,159
knowledge of U.S government alien

1518
01:19:08,530 --> 01:19:04,940
reproduction Vehicles

1519
01:19:12,590 --> 01:19:08,540
arvs that's the United States government

1520
01:19:17,390 --> 01:19:12,600
built flying saucers reproductions of

1521
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:17,400
actual alien craft at Area 51 and

1522
01:19:22,850 --> 01:19:19,920
Associated locations that's

1523
01:19:25,070 --> 01:19:22,860
extraordinary Point number three the

1524
01:19:28,430 --> 01:19:25,080
name and current location of a retired

1525
01:19:30,350 --> 01:19:28,440
senior flag rank officer who I believe

1526
01:19:33,669 --> 01:19:30,360
was directly involved in government

1527
01:19:36,350 --> 01:19:33,679
interaction with a significant UFO event

1528
01:19:38,930 --> 01:19:36,360
on the east coast of the United States

1529
01:19:41,689 --> 01:19:38,940
and I believe has by virtue of his

1530
01:19:44,990 --> 01:19:41,699
former leadership position High military

1531
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:45,000
rank and control of significant military

1532
01:19:51,010 --> 01:19:47,760
forces direct knowledge of United States

1533
01:19:54,590 --> 01:19:51,020
government involvement in this business

1534
01:19:57,950 --> 01:19:54,600
Point number four a list of civil

1535
01:20:00,470 --> 01:19:57,960
million government contractors who by

1536
01:20:02,990 --> 01:20:00,480
virtue of their past and current highly

1537
01:20:06,050 --> 01:20:03,000
classified work current capabilities

1538
01:20:09,050 --> 01:20:06,060
clearances specialized personnel and

1539
01:20:11,750 --> 01:20:09,060
Geographic areas of concern most likely

1540
01:20:14,090 --> 01:20:11,760
have current involvement in and

1541
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:14,100
knowledge of United States government

1542
01:20:19,750 --> 01:20:18,239
work in Alien derived Technologies

1543
01:20:24,110 --> 01:20:19,760
crashes

1544
01:20:27,649 --> 01:20:24,120
landing and Associated events

1545
01:20:29,990 --> 01:20:27,659
now this last paragraph is extremely

1546
01:20:31,930 --> 01:20:30,000
interesting this is point number five if

1547
01:20:34,370 --> 01:20:31,940
you have interest in any of the above

1548
01:20:37,729 --> 01:20:34,380
please let me know

1549
01:20:39,410 --> 01:20:37,739
finally I have a request I'm trying to

1550
01:20:41,570 --> 01:20:39,420
locate a company in Las Vegas Nevada

1551
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:41,580
which some years ago manufactured A

1552
01:20:47,570 --> 01:20:45,600
specialized disabling pepper spray right

1553
01:20:50,689 --> 01:20:47,580
for the military and law enforcement the

1554
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:50,699
company was called one Mark Inc at 2300

1555
01:20:58,070 --> 01:20:54,239
West Sahara Avenue Suite 500 and I knew

1556
01:21:00,590 --> 01:20:58,080
it's VP of Mr Joe zacaro any help in

1557
01:21:03,530 --> 01:21:00,600
locating him or and or the company would

1558
01:21:05,930 --> 01:21:03,540
be appreciated best regards will will

1559
01:21:09,229 --> 01:21:05,940
Miller now

1560
01:21:11,410 --> 01:21:09,239
um this letter which was just handed to

1561
01:21:14,290 --> 01:21:11,420
Admiral Wilson in the back of the car

1562
01:21:17,450 --> 01:21:14,300
Admiral Wilson reads it and says yes

1563
01:21:19,010 --> 01:21:17,460
that uh will Miller knows some stuff and

1564
01:21:20,570 --> 01:21:19,020
he can probably point you in the right

1565
01:21:22,790 --> 01:21:20,580
directions but don't pay him for that

1566
01:21:25,070 --> 01:21:22,800
information that's what Admiral Wilson

1567
01:21:28,850 --> 01:21:25,080
said and you go back and you read this

1568
01:21:30,590 --> 01:21:28,860
letter and it is so specific and I

1569
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:30,600
believe I can't go on the record here

1570
01:21:35,149 --> 01:21:32,880
because I don't have will Miller on on

1571
01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:35,159
the show tonight but I believe that will

1572
01:21:39,290 --> 01:21:36,960
Miller has confirmed that that letter is

1573
01:21:42,010 --> 01:21:39,300
authentic

1574
01:21:45,410 --> 01:21:42,020
ah

1575
01:21:54,890 --> 01:21:45,420
page three

1576
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,900
Admiral Wilson says told Oak again Oak

1577
01:21:59,450 --> 01:21:56,400
Shannon

1578
01:22:02,330 --> 01:21:59,460
it's a bad time uh time no good to talk

1579
01:22:05,209 --> 01:22:02,340
to me Eric W Davis that's an oak Shannon

1580
01:22:07,970 --> 01:22:05,219
had said that he had had uh I think he

1581
01:22:11,450 --> 01:22:07,980
had a heart attack they've been in the

1582
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:11,460
hospital uh all year long very sick his

1583
01:22:16,010 --> 01:22:13,440
wife Linda was feeling all of his phone

1584
01:22:18,470 --> 01:22:16,020
calls and and he was not really talking

1585
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:18,480
to anybody but he did get through and he

1586
01:22:24,169 --> 01:22:20,880
confirmed this uh the other night that

1587
01:22:26,510 --> 01:22:24,179
yes he talked to Admiral Wilson when he

1588
01:22:29,330 --> 01:22:26,520
was sick and talked to him about Oak

1589
01:22:32,390 --> 01:22:29,340
Shannon and here we go with this

1590
01:22:34,610 --> 01:22:32,400
remember this was written in 2002 old

1591
01:22:37,250 --> 01:22:34,620
Shannon's interview was four days ago

1592
01:22:39,770 --> 01:22:37,260
the oak Shannon notes refer all of this

1593
01:22:43,010 --> 01:22:39,780
so does Jack haux and of course we have

1594
01:22:45,229 --> 01:22:43,020
the Admiral Wilson Eric Davis document

1595
01:22:48,350 --> 01:22:45,239
that we are going through here so now

1596
01:22:50,630 --> 01:22:48,360
let's go to this very important point

1597
01:22:53,390 --> 01:22:50,640
said Oak too difficult to contact

1598
01:22:55,850 --> 01:22:53,400
anymore hurdy was in and out of the

1599
01:22:58,010 --> 01:22:55,860
hospital extremely sensitive to stress

1600
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:58,020
heart sickness bad news

1601
01:23:03,709 --> 01:23:01,199
I tried calling Linda takes messages but

1602
01:23:06,890 --> 01:23:03,719
none returned she doesn't want much on

1603
01:23:08,510 --> 01:23:06,900
Oak's plate for fear didn't say yes or

1604
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:08,520
no to request

1605
01:23:12,410 --> 01:23:11,040
um I would think on it she said she

1606
01:23:15,229 --> 01:23:12,420
would think on it

1607
01:23:20,090 --> 01:23:15,239
three years pass and retiring left the

1608
01:23:21,649 --> 01:23:20,100
DIA in July of 2002 replaced by Admiral

1609
01:23:23,990 --> 01:23:21,659
Jacoby

1610
01:23:27,709 --> 01:23:24,000
Wilson continues

1611
01:23:31,130 --> 01:23:27,719
came to test site's special area to wrap

1612
01:23:33,050 --> 01:23:31,140
up projects he began in 1998 successor

1613
01:23:35,990 --> 01:23:33,060
can't be bothered with right now for

1614
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:36,000
lack of time and knowledge did tour and

1615
01:23:41,689 --> 01:23:39,120
uh say goodbye to folks trip set up by

1616
01:23:46,729 --> 01:23:41,699
the nnsa the national nuclear Security

1617
01:23:51,530 --> 01:23:46,739
Agency rich and Doug you Eric Davis know

1618
01:23:54,350 --> 01:23:51,540
them they're afio members right I told

1619
01:23:56,330 --> 01:23:54,360
them uh how new Las Vegas chapter needed

1620
01:23:59,270 --> 01:23:56,340
guest speakers for chapter public review

1621
01:24:01,870 --> 01:23:59,280
venue raise money and membership Etc

1622
01:24:05,030 --> 01:24:01,880
Richard Doug talked about you Eric Davis

1623
01:24:07,669 --> 01:24:05,040
phoned from DC sent me copies of your

1624
01:24:09,470 --> 01:24:07,679
NASA papers and other related wormholes

1625
01:24:13,310 --> 01:24:09,480
are your thing I just mentioned that

1626
01:24:16,250 --> 01:24:13,320
earlier sent a pack Air Force orders

1627
01:24:20,209 --> 01:24:16,260
United States ID Lockheed slides some

1628
01:24:21,649 --> 01:24:20,219
reports I wrote for NASA Eric W Davis

1629
01:24:24,229 --> 01:24:21,659
says

1630
01:24:26,810 --> 01:24:24,239
when

1631
01:24:29,570 --> 01:24:26,820
Tom Wilson replies oh September after

1632
01:24:33,050 --> 01:24:29,580
Labor Day rich and Doug told me I should

1633
01:24:36,110 --> 01:24:33,060
talk to you about Dia careers discuss

1634
01:24:38,930 --> 01:24:36,120
history Mission my career in that Etc I

1635
01:24:40,729 --> 01:24:38,940
knew better uh later when I saw your

1636
01:24:44,510 --> 01:24:40,739
papers and stats they provided

1637
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:44,520
remembered Oak phone call and what he

1638
01:24:50,270 --> 01:24:47,280
sent me what he said about you Eric

1639
01:24:52,970 --> 01:24:50,280
Davis again this paragraph supports what

1640
01:24:54,890 --> 01:24:52,980
Oak Shannon said the other night when he

1641
01:24:58,130 --> 01:24:54,900
came forward

1642
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,140
Eric Davis says what did you do with it

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01:25:02,510 --> 01:25:00,239
and here it goes

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head office do background checks Doug

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01:25:08,810 --> 01:25:04,980
and Rich offered to but I wanted my own

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01:25:11,689 --> 01:25:08,820
data to be sure afio vouched afio people

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01:25:13,850 --> 01:25:11,699
DC people now in Vegas vouched vouched

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01:25:16,430 --> 01:25:13,860
for Eric Davis

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01:25:19,850 --> 01:25:16,440
Wilson continues gave deep serious

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01:25:23,570 --> 01:25:19,860
thought recalled Oaks call in 99 Oak

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01:25:27,110 --> 01:25:23,580
really supported me Eric W Davis and had

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01:25:28,130 --> 01:25:27,120
good arguments Eric W Davis says what

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01:25:30,590 --> 01:25:28,140
were they

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01:25:33,229 --> 01:25:30,600
Tom Wilson replies

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01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:33,239
wouldn't talk to press Eric Davis Eric

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01:25:39,229 --> 01:25:37,440
Davis wasn't didn't have loose lips that

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01:25:41,270 --> 01:25:39,239
Eric Davis wouldn't talk to the Press he

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01:25:44,810 --> 01:25:41,280
wouldn't talk to groups UFO or other

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01:25:49,010 --> 01:25:44,820
such no media connections uh not talk to

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01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:49,020
Miller or Greer or related folks no

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01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:52,320
vested interest in publicity money fame

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01:25:56,810 --> 01:25:54,000
or notoriety

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01:25:59,390 --> 01:25:56,820
Etc Eric Davis replies we spent time

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01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,400
discussing my background answered his

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01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:01,440
questions on my Air Force NASA and

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01:26:06,050 --> 01:26:03,600
related work and interest history with

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01:26:11,629 --> 01:26:06,060
Air Force jobs and what I did education

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01:26:16,729 --> 01:26:15,110
that's right Bigelow Eric Davis worked

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01:26:22,250 --> 01:26:16,739
for nids

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01:26:26,270 --> 01:26:22,260
Oak mentioned J.A me nids in 99 but

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01:26:29,090 --> 01:26:26,280
that's all that was said

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01:26:31,790 --> 01:26:29,100
this uh obviously

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01:26:33,950 --> 01:26:31,800
um Tom Wilson is is mad because he says

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01:26:37,129 --> 01:26:33,960
he's very Furious

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01:26:39,709 --> 01:26:37,139
very angry about Miller will Miller the

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01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:39,719
previous letter that we just read facial

1677
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:43,199
expression tense angry voice he said

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01:26:48,070 --> 01:26:46,080
that uh that will Miller violated

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01:26:50,930 --> 01:26:48,080
personal and professional trust

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01:26:53,689 --> 01:26:50,940
especially amongst intelligence

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01:26:56,629 --> 01:26:53,699
colleagues and Navy officers there's

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Navy camaraderie among officers of

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01:27:00,050 --> 01:26:57,840
Brotherhood

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01:27:02,450 --> 01:27:00,060
and that's page five

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01:27:04,370 --> 01:27:02,460
now uh we're gonna be headed towards a

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01:27:07,070 --> 01:27:04,380
break here but we've got to get to this

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01:27:09,770 --> 01:27:07,080
part here because uh and we'll pick it

1688
01:27:12,169 --> 01:27:09,780
up after the break but but uh Admiral

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01:27:14,570 --> 01:27:12,179
Miller is is pissed off

1690
01:27:16,729 --> 01:27:14,580
Eric Davis says how how did he violate

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01:27:21,050 --> 01:27:16,739
the camaraderie the trust

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01:27:24,890 --> 01:27:21,060
Miller says Miller told Greer

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01:27:29,149 --> 01:27:24,900
Stephen Greer their conversation who

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01:27:32,510 --> 01:27:29,159
knows who melts he and Greer told

1695
01:27:37,450 --> 01:27:32,520
Eric Davis note Miller told Ed Mitchell

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01:27:40,970 --> 01:27:37,460
Edgar Mitchell who only told me in 1999

1697
01:27:44,030 --> 01:27:40,980
and then Tom Wilson replies

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01:27:47,689 --> 01:27:44,040
then he talks to Leslie Kane and Boston

1699
01:27:51,530 --> 01:27:47,699
Globe articles came out not sure what he

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01:27:53,450 --> 01:27:51,540
told Kane but articles referenced me

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01:27:55,250 --> 01:27:53,460
Tom Wilson

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01:27:58,610 --> 01:27:55,260
Furious

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01:28:01,370 --> 01:27:58,620
got calls from all over

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01:28:04,370 --> 01:28:01,380
Eric Davis says what was their nature

1705
01:28:07,610 --> 01:28:04,380
Tom Wilson replies sarcastic stupid

1706
01:28:10,370 --> 01:28:07,620
jokes stupid comments comments of

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01:28:15,229 --> 01:28:10,380
surprise and derision that I would be

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01:28:16,430 --> 01:28:15,239
talking to UFO nuts nutty UFO groups

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01:28:18,530 --> 01:28:16,440
Etc

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01:28:22,070 --> 01:28:18,540
Eric Davis says who who was making these

1711
01:28:23,990 --> 01:28:22,080
comments Tom Wilson says co-workers flag

1712
01:28:26,930 --> 01:28:24,000
officers in the Pentagon lower staff

1713
01:28:29,209 --> 01:28:26,940
civilian SES people people in Intel

1714
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:29,219
Community I work with got calls about

1715
01:28:35,470 --> 01:28:32,400
articles and didn't like it

1716
01:28:40,490 --> 01:28:35,480
Tom Wilson says I'm taking a risk

1717
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:40,500
talking to you Eric Davis but he trusts

1718
01:28:45,470 --> 01:28:42,560
Oak's word and it's good with me

1719
01:28:47,629 --> 01:28:45,480
according to Wilson we should have met

1720
01:28:49,790 --> 01:28:47,639
Oak together face to face but present

1721
01:28:55,129 --> 01:28:49,800
health problems prevent that that's too

1722
01:28:57,350 --> 01:28:55,139
bad so I'll take risk with you

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01:28:59,570 --> 01:28:57,360
all right now

1724
01:29:01,550 --> 01:28:59,580
um there's uh one uh one last point that

1725
01:29:03,830 --> 01:29:01,560
I want to make here uh before we get to

1726
01:29:06,110 --> 01:29:03,840
the break and Tom Wilson he goes back to

1727
01:29:08,090 --> 01:29:06,120
Rich and Doug Rich and Doug vouch for

1728
01:29:11,090 --> 01:29:08,100
you they say that your word is good with

1729
01:29:14,870 --> 01:29:11,100
them a-f-i-o connection important for

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01:29:17,090 --> 01:29:14,880
trust you Eric W Davis know how to be a

1731
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:17,100
team player he did a background check

1732
01:29:21,410 --> 01:29:18,719
says background check clear no

1733
01:29:24,649 --> 01:29:21,420
derogatory items found Korean record

1734
01:29:27,950 --> 01:29:24,659
good and Air Force trusts you I'm

1735
01:29:32,030 --> 01:29:27,960
running out of time so let's go with

1736
01:29:34,490 --> 01:29:32,040
this if you blow my trust I will deny

1737
01:29:36,649 --> 01:29:34,500
meeting you I'll deny everything said

1738
01:29:39,830 --> 01:29:36,659
won't meet with any more people without

1739
01:29:42,470 --> 01:29:39,840
clearances to talk about this topic too

1740
01:29:45,790 --> 01:29:42,480
risky because of security violation just

1741
01:29:49,910 --> 01:29:45,800
by mentioning it very tightly held info

1742
01:29:52,669 --> 01:29:49,920
absurdly close held subject matter never

1743
01:29:54,770 --> 01:29:52,679
seen anything like this program in Black

1744
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:54,780
programs community

1745
01:30:01,209 --> 01:29:57,360
and then Eric Davis comes back with okay

1746
01:30:05,330 --> 01:30:01,219
then what happened in April and June of

1747
01:30:08,450 --> 01:30:05,340
1997 and this is the bottom of page six

1748
01:30:11,570 --> 01:30:08,460
Wilson replies after parting with Miller

1749
01:30:13,729 --> 01:30:11,580
will Miller a week later he thinks I

1750
01:30:17,110 --> 01:30:13,739
made calls I knocked on a few doors I

1751
01:30:20,030 --> 01:30:17,120
talked to people it went on for 45 days

1752
01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:20,040
with that let's take a break this is

1753
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Fade to Black tonight our two and a half

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hour Deep dive into the Wilson Davis

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document this is Blockbuster week here

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on Fade to Black tonight's guest is me

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tomorrow night Rich Dolan stay with me

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I'll be right back after this short

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break

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tonight a deep dive into the Wilson

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Davis documents and all of this is

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relevant this was written in 2002

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uh over the last few days huge

1882
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developments Bombshells happening in the

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UFO Community because of the research of

1884
01:37:12,890 --> 01:37:09,540
uh Grant Cameron Melinda Leslie of

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01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:12,900
course Richard Dolan Oak Shannon coming

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01:37:18,110 --> 01:37:14,000
forward

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uh the ATP working group and the BDM

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meeting that happened in 1985 the notes

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Associated uh with that that were taken

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by Jack Houck that uh Melinda Leslie has

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brought forward into the public and of

1892
01:37:35,990 --> 01:37:32,639
course Oak Shannon notes that the author

1893
01:37:39,050 --> 01:37:36,000
of this document here Eric Davis a

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physicist uh doing a UFO and propulsion

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and ET research

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um gave working notes of that 1985

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meeting two grand Cameron uh 20 years

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ago

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um uh old Shannon who is mentioned

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throughout all of this and of course the

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notes that were uh just uh uh that have

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just gone public uh for the most part

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yesterday and we reviewed last night in

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in totality last night on Fade to Black

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so you can go and watch last night's

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show watch tonight's show you can see

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01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:12,540
how all of this and of course go and

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watch uh the oak Shannon interview and

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all of this now is supporting each other

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Rich Dolan has said uh from just about

1911
01:38:27,229 --> 01:38:24,060
the onset of this that this is the most

1912
01:38:29,570 --> 01:38:27,239
important document about UFOs this

1913
01:38:34,370 --> 01:38:29,580
century and now it is coming clear that

1914
01:38:36,890 --> 01:38:34,380
it just may be that okay so with all of

1915
01:38:38,870 --> 01:38:36,900
that being said that's a slight recap of

1916
01:38:42,410 --> 01:38:38,880
what we are doing this evening

1917
01:38:45,590 --> 01:38:42,420
I just left off at the bottom of page

1918
01:38:46,910 --> 01:38:45,600
six now also uh Richard Dolan's going to

1919
01:38:49,669 --> 01:38:46,920
be on with us tomorrow night and I know

1920
01:38:51,649 --> 01:38:49,679
he's doing a presentation tonight

1921
01:38:54,169 --> 01:38:51,659
um Grant Cameron is over on spaced out

1922
01:38:57,530 --> 01:38:54,179
radio tonight uh Graham was out with us

1923
01:38:59,570 --> 01:38:57,540
last night granted a show yesterday uh

1924
01:39:02,990 --> 01:38:59,580
during the day uh another one this

1925
01:39:05,330 --> 01:39:03,000
morning uh with Melinda Leslie this is a

1926
01:39:06,830 --> 01:39:05,340
very very big deal everybody is talking

1927
01:39:09,649 --> 01:39:06,840
about it

1928
01:39:12,709 --> 01:39:09,659
um it's just a bombshell week Rich Dolan

1929
01:39:16,010 --> 01:39:12,719
will be on with us tomorrow and page six

1930
01:39:17,570 --> 01:39:16,020
and and Page seven Rich Dolan

1931
01:39:19,370 --> 01:39:17,580
um has always gone back and referenced

1932
01:39:21,830 --> 01:39:19,380
these well on page five well it's all 15

1933
01:39:24,169 --> 01:39:21,840
pages actually two of the pages of the

1934
01:39:27,649 --> 01:39:24,179
15 pages by the way are the letter from

1935
01:39:29,830 --> 01:39:27,659
will Miller so there's 13 pages in total

1936
01:39:32,330 --> 01:39:29,840
um at the bottom of page six

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01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:32,340
Admiral Miller remember they're in the

1938
01:39:39,050 --> 01:39:35,520
back of a car uh behind the EG and G

1939
01:39:41,990 --> 01:39:39,060
building on Greer and Paradise Road uh

1940
01:39:45,169 --> 01:39:42,000
uh next to McCarran airport where the

1941
01:39:47,930 --> 01:39:45,179
Janet Airlines had EG and G runs uh

1942
01:39:51,110 --> 01:39:47,940
takes the employees to and from uh Area

1943
01:39:55,250 --> 01:39:51,120
51 each day this is like UFO Central

1944
01:39:57,709 --> 01:39:55,260
right it's all going down and uh this is

1945
01:39:59,510 --> 01:39:57,719
where this conversation is happening in

1946
01:40:01,310 --> 01:39:59,520
the back of a car the conversation

1947
01:40:05,689 --> 01:40:01,320
started at 10 o'clock in the morning 10

1948
01:40:08,149 --> 01:40:05,699
a.m 10 10 it ended at 11 20 a.m the

1949
01:40:10,729 --> 01:40:08,159
entire conversation is about an hour and

1950
01:40:13,610 --> 01:40:10,739
10 minutes long all right so at the

1951
01:40:16,070 --> 01:40:13,620
bottom and these are notes from Eric

1952
01:40:17,570 --> 01:40:16,080
Davis of that conversation that happened

1953
01:40:21,490 --> 01:40:17,580
in the back of this car

1954
01:40:24,050 --> 01:40:21,500
uh the entire conversation is about

1955
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:24,060
uh UFOs

1956
01:40:31,250 --> 01:40:29,040
ET craft crashes retrievals

1957
01:40:34,689 --> 01:40:31,260
um the back engineering of technology

1958
01:40:38,030 --> 01:40:34,699
and the secret government projects that

1959
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:38,040
are ongoing with private government

1960
01:40:42,890 --> 01:40:41,040
contractors with this technology that is

1961
01:40:44,590 --> 01:40:42,900
the essence of this entire conversation

1962
01:40:47,870 --> 01:40:44,600
Point number two

1963
01:40:50,090 --> 01:40:47,880
Admiral Wilson got wind of this and

1964
01:40:51,770 --> 01:40:50,100
again this was through Oak Shannon and

1965
01:40:54,590 --> 01:40:51,780
others

1966
01:40:56,270 --> 01:40:54,600
um uh Edgar Mitchell uh in the pursuit

1967
01:40:59,510 --> 01:40:56,280
of this

1968
01:41:01,550 --> 01:40:59,520
um Admiral Wilson decides to he's like

1969
01:41:03,890 --> 01:41:01,560
I'm the deputy director of the defense

1970
01:41:06,530 --> 01:41:03,900
intelligence agency this stuff is going

1971
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:06,540
on I never knew about it there's black

1972
01:41:11,750 --> 01:41:09,360
budget program special access programs

1973
01:41:13,910 --> 01:41:11,760
government contractors that are

1974
01:41:17,510 --> 01:41:13,920
developing technology from Crash

1975
01:41:20,209 --> 01:41:17,520
retrievals of alien craft not built on

1976
01:41:23,390 --> 01:41:20,219
planet Earth what is going on here so he

1977
01:41:25,070 --> 01:41:23,400
goes and tries to find out uh what's

1978
01:41:27,050 --> 01:41:25,080
happening and he's making phone calls

1979
01:41:29,450 --> 01:41:27,060
and this is what he references at the

1980
01:41:32,090 --> 01:41:29,460
bottom of this letter and he got

1981
01:41:34,430 --> 01:41:32,100
stonewalled and he is the deputy

1982
01:41:37,370 --> 01:41:34,440
director of the diaj2

1983
01:41:40,430 --> 01:41:37,380
how is it that he does not have access

1984
01:41:42,590 --> 01:41:40,440
to this information okay so at the

1985
01:41:45,350 --> 01:41:42,600
bottom of page checks he says after

1986
01:41:47,990 --> 01:41:45,360
parting with Miller a week later he

1987
01:41:50,390 --> 01:41:48,000
thinks I made calls I knocked on a few

1988
01:41:53,390 --> 01:41:50,400
doors I talked to people went on for 45

1989
01:41:56,290 --> 01:41:53,400
days thereabouts on and off now we go to

1990
01:42:01,250 --> 01:41:56,300
page six or page seven he says

1991
01:42:04,030 --> 01:42:01,260
suggestion came from Ward General M Ward

1992
01:42:09,890 --> 01:42:04,040
to go through the records of groups

1993
01:42:12,470 --> 01:42:09,900
files like an index system in a uh ostat

1994
01:42:15,649 --> 01:42:12,480
office of under secretary of defense for

1995
01:42:19,010 --> 01:42:15,659
acquisition and Technology

1996
01:42:22,910 --> 01:42:19,020
ran into Bill Perry in May of 97 talked

1997
01:42:25,850 --> 01:42:22,920
about this quietly he suggested the same

1998
01:42:28,729 --> 01:42:25,860
thing they told me of a special

1999
01:42:33,950 --> 01:42:28,739
Project's record group not belonging to

2000
01:42:36,950 --> 01:42:33,960
usual sap specialized access programs a

2001
01:42:40,850 --> 01:42:36,960
special subset of the unacknowledged

2002
01:42:44,030 --> 01:42:40,860
carve outs waived programs not belonging

2003
01:42:47,390 --> 01:42:44,040
to usual sap divisions as organized in

2004
01:42:51,350 --> 01:42:47,400
94 by Perry himself set apart from rest

2005
01:42:55,729 --> 01:42:51,360
but buried covered by conventional saps

2006
01:43:00,189 --> 01:42:55,739
now what is an sap an sap is a is a

2007
01:43:03,830 --> 01:43:00,199
special access program an sap

2008
01:43:06,890 --> 01:43:03,840
is money budgeted to these secret

2009
01:43:09,910 --> 01:43:06,900
projects that can't be traced

2010
01:43:13,310 --> 01:43:09,920
that there's no uh it's so

2011
01:43:15,709 --> 01:43:13,320
compartmentalized and when these defense

2012
01:43:17,830 --> 01:43:15,719
budgets go through and this money is

2013
01:43:21,709 --> 01:43:17,840
spent on these uh

2014
01:43:23,330 --> 01:43:21,719
technology driven uh projects and it

2015
01:43:25,490 --> 01:43:23,340
could be weapons it could be aircraft it

2016
01:43:27,950 --> 01:43:25,500
could be Rockets it could be engines and

2017
01:43:30,590 --> 01:43:27,960
motors and all kinds of Technology but

2018
01:43:34,070 --> 01:43:30,600
these special access programs once that

2019
01:43:36,169 --> 01:43:34,080
money leaves Congress That's it man it

2020
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:36,179
goes into a world and you cannot Chase

2021
01:43:42,470 --> 01:43:39,600
it down you cannot get answers and this

2022
01:43:45,830 --> 01:43:42,480
is what surprised Admiral Wilson but he

2023
01:43:47,390 --> 01:43:45,840
goes on to say here that they told me of

2024
01:43:50,990 --> 01:43:47,400
Special Projects record group not

2025
01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:51,000
belonging to usual sap a special subset

2026
01:43:56,629 --> 01:43:54,480
of unacknowledged carve outs waived to

2027
01:43:59,149 --> 01:43:56,639
programs not belonging to usual sap

2028
01:44:01,330 --> 01:43:59,159
divisions now

2029
01:44:05,689 --> 01:44:01,340
um uh again

2030
01:44:07,729 --> 01:44:05,699
even if you have access to some sap

2031
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:07,739
information you don't have access to all

2032
01:44:12,470 --> 01:44:10,800
of it and you cannot once the once the

2033
01:44:14,330 --> 01:44:12,480
money goes out the paper trail and

2034
01:44:18,410 --> 01:44:14,340
getting access to this and who's doing

2035
01:44:20,810 --> 01:44:18,420
it you just can't do it it's gone it's a

2036
01:44:25,250 --> 01:44:20,820
special Access program he's referring to

2037
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:25,260
here that UFOs and this alien technology

2038
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:28,560
is even more secretive than the normal

2039
01:44:33,410 --> 01:44:31,440
crazy sap programs

2040
01:44:35,450 --> 01:44:33,420
and that's what he's referencing here

2041
01:44:38,030 --> 01:44:35,460
and Admiral Wilson said man I couldn't

2042
01:44:40,129 --> 01:44:38,040
believe that this is what was going on

2043
01:44:43,070 --> 01:44:40,139
and this is what I found out so Eric

2044
01:44:46,430 --> 01:44:43,080
Davis continues with who was the United

2045
01:44:49,490 --> 01:44:46,440
States A.T right Department of uh it was

2046
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:49,500
Paul Kaminsky again a very important

2047
01:44:55,070 --> 01:44:51,920
name talk to both Paul and Mike

2048
01:44:57,890 --> 01:44:55,080
acostelnick a brigadier general Mike

2049
01:45:01,550 --> 01:44:57,900
costellnick Eric Davis asked

2050
01:45:04,550 --> 01:45:01,560
in Paul's office ousdat director of

2051
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:04,560
special programs in ostat office of the

2052
01:45:09,790 --> 01:45:07,199
under secretary of defense for

2053
01:45:13,490 --> 01:45:09,800
acquisition and technology and Logistics

2054
01:45:16,250 --> 01:45:13,500
as organized reorganized by Perry 94.

2055
01:45:19,370 --> 01:45:16,260
Mike is also director of sapco

2056
01:45:22,250 --> 01:45:19,380
special access programs coordination

2057
01:45:24,109 --> 01:45:22,260
office you would think that's where you

2058
01:45:27,709 --> 01:45:24,119
would go to get answers

2059
01:45:30,590 --> 01:45:27,719
and especially as the deputy director of

2060
01:45:33,410 --> 01:45:30,600
the defense intelligence agency right

2061
01:45:36,410 --> 01:45:33,420
not so fast Mike is a member and

2062
01:45:38,450 --> 01:45:36,420
executive secretary to the sap OC

2063
01:45:41,510 --> 01:45:38,460
special access programs oversight

2064
01:45:44,750 --> 01:45:41,520
committee incapacity as the sapco

2065
01:45:48,350 --> 01:45:44,760
Director Mike is a member of the senior

2066
01:45:50,090 --> 01:45:48,360
review group Tom Wilson was deputy

2067
01:45:53,050 --> 01:45:50,100
director of the DIA I just talked about

2068
01:45:56,629 --> 01:45:53,060
that assistant joint Chief of Staff J2

2069
01:45:59,209 --> 01:45:56,639
at that time boss was director of the

2070
01:46:03,530 --> 01:45:59,219
defense intelligence agency General

2071
01:46:08,270 --> 01:46:03,540
Patrick Hughes Tom Wilson continues so

2072
01:46:11,450 --> 01:46:08,280
found the unusual record group read the

2073
01:46:14,870 --> 01:46:11,460
index abstracts Eric Davis says budget

2074
01:46:17,450 --> 01:46:14,880
info no budget info that is kept in a

2075
01:46:20,090 --> 01:46:17,460
separate records audit of for audit

2076
01:46:24,290 --> 01:46:20,100
purposes a security budget record is

2077
01:46:26,810 --> 01:46:24,300
copied into a folder for the program

2078
01:46:29,090 --> 01:46:26,820
talked to Mike who said it was like two

2079
01:46:30,770 --> 01:46:29,100
to three times the program budget but

2080
01:46:32,629 --> 01:46:30,780
there were times when it was set as high

2081
01:46:34,189 --> 01:46:32,639
as six to seven times of the core budget

2082
01:46:37,149 --> 01:46:34,199
why

2083
01:46:39,830 --> 01:46:37,159
because even though that's absurdly high

2084
01:46:42,050 --> 01:46:39,840
they can't trace this from year to year

2085
01:46:45,050 --> 01:46:42,060
to year so sometimes these budgets come

2086
01:46:47,270 --> 01:46:45,060
in with the four-year accumulation five

2087
01:46:49,790 --> 01:46:47,280
years and the budgets seem really high

2088
01:46:52,010 --> 01:46:49,800
but it's because nobody can chase the

2089
01:46:55,729 --> 01:46:52,020
numbers down they're giving one lump

2090
01:46:57,350 --> 01:46:55,739
number who told him that Tom Wilson says

2091
01:46:59,930 --> 01:46:57,360
he didn't want to answer my question on

2092
01:47:03,109 --> 01:46:59,940
that I said I could find out something

2093
01:47:06,109 --> 01:47:03,119
from Judy Daley

2094
01:47:08,270 --> 01:47:06,119
Judith Daly who is she she's the

2095
01:47:12,430 --> 01:47:08,280
assistant Deputy under secretary of

2096
01:47:15,590 --> 01:47:12,440
defense for advanced development osat

2097
01:47:19,729 --> 01:47:15,600
ozat that's page seven now let's go to

2098
01:47:25,850 --> 01:47:21,770
Judith Daly

2099
01:47:28,010 --> 01:47:25,860
Tom Wilson she said by a phone call that

2100
01:47:29,930 --> 01:47:28,020
security and other program budget

2101
01:47:31,669 --> 01:47:29,940
records were being revamped and

2102
01:47:33,530 --> 01:47:31,679
relocated to their own records Group

2103
01:47:37,129 --> 01:47:33,540
Security budgets were sometimes

2104
01:47:39,950 --> 01:47:37,139
cumulative and not annual numbers that's

2105
01:47:42,169 --> 01:47:39,960
what I just referenced easy to see how

2106
01:47:45,229 --> 01:47:42,179
misunderstanding occurs when comparing

2107
01:47:47,689 --> 01:47:45,239
to annual uh program budget figures six

2108
01:47:50,270 --> 01:47:47,699
to seven times would be two to five

2109
01:47:53,209 --> 01:47:50,280
years cumulative total that there have

2110
01:47:55,070 --> 01:47:53,219
been errors in way security budgets are

2111
01:47:58,070 --> 01:47:55,080
reported Nobody Knows the money just

2112
01:48:00,830 --> 01:47:58,080
disappears it's gone it's gone

2113
01:48:03,050 --> 01:48:00,840
there's just no tracking this

2114
01:48:04,970 --> 01:48:03,060
he says Perry ordered all of these

2115
01:48:07,370 --> 01:48:04,980
issues to be reorganized and

2116
01:48:10,310 --> 01:48:07,380
straightened out to improve audit

2117
01:48:12,590 --> 01:48:10,320
transparency everybody was getting away

2118
01:48:13,970 --> 01:48:12,600
with it there was there was no chasing

2119
01:48:15,410 --> 01:48:13,980
down the number you didn't have to

2120
01:48:18,010 --> 01:48:15,420
answer for anything once you got the

2121
01:48:22,430 --> 01:48:18,020
money you could do whatever you want

2122
01:48:25,550 --> 01:48:22,440
uh Eric Eric Davis change subject so

2123
01:48:28,310 --> 01:48:25,560
what special access program compartment

2124
01:48:30,729 --> 01:48:28,320
did you find in

2125
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:30,739
and then Wilson says

2126
01:48:37,189 --> 01:48:33,840
core Secret

2127
01:48:39,229 --> 01:48:37,199
I won't say core secret and this comes

2128
01:48:41,930 --> 01:48:39,239
up a few times in in this conversation

2129
01:48:43,609 --> 01:48:41,940
core secret that's it that's core secret

2130
01:48:45,770 --> 01:48:43,619
not talking about it

2131
01:48:48,709 --> 01:48:45,780
Eric Davis's code name

2132
01:48:50,629 --> 01:48:48,719
Tom Wilson says again won't say core

2133
01:48:53,330 --> 01:48:50,639
Secret

2134
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:53,340
who was uh Eric Davis who was the

2135
01:48:57,770 --> 01:48:55,199
project contractor or the United States

2136
01:49:00,890 --> 01:48:57,780
government agency that runs the program

2137
01:49:03,530 --> 01:49:00,900
remember we're talking about UFOs

2138
01:49:06,770 --> 01:49:03,540
Tom Wilson replies an aerospace

2139
01:49:09,109 --> 01:49:06,780
technology contractor one of the top

2140
01:49:09,950 --> 01:49:09,119
ones in the U.S so now let's stop right

2141
01:49:12,470 --> 01:49:09,960
there

2142
01:49:15,229 --> 01:49:12,480
because when you read through this what

2143
01:49:16,850 --> 01:49:15,239
comes to mind Lockheed Skunk Works right

2144
01:49:24,770 --> 01:49:16,860
uh

2145
01:49:29,149 --> 01:49:24,780
Grumman right a Raytheon there's a few

2146
01:49:32,450 --> 01:49:29,159
that are at that level Boeing right

2147
01:49:35,870 --> 01:49:32,460
but I'm I'm I'm my money my smart

2148
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:35,880
money's on Lockheed Skunk Works

2149
01:49:43,669 --> 01:49:37,920
because Eric Davis comes back with who

2150
01:49:46,490 --> 01:49:43,679
Tom Wilson core secret can't tell

2151
01:49:51,290 --> 01:49:46,500
Eric Davis defense contractor

2152
01:49:54,410 --> 01:49:51,300
yes the best one of them

2153
01:49:57,890 --> 01:49:54,420
I'm going Lockheed Skunk Works

2154
01:50:01,310 --> 01:49:57,900
Eric Davis intelligence too

2155
01:50:03,530 --> 01:50:01,320
in their corporate portfolio

2156
01:50:07,550 --> 01:50:03,540
Eric Davis give a hint

2157
01:50:10,609 --> 01:50:07,560
Tom Wilson says sorry no

2158
01:50:12,950 --> 01:50:10,619
Eric Davis what happened when you found

2159
01:50:14,810 --> 01:50:12,960
the contractor

2160
01:50:15,950 --> 01:50:14,820
and this is where it just starts to

2161
01:50:18,169 --> 01:50:15,960
explode

2162
01:50:20,689 --> 01:50:18,179
I made several calls at the end of May

2163
01:50:23,689 --> 01:50:20,699
of 97. first to Paul Mike and Perry to

2164
01:50:27,290 --> 01:50:23,699
confirm I had right contractor and

2165
01:50:30,649 --> 01:50:27,300
program manager to talk to

2166
01:50:34,129 --> 01:50:30,659
Eric Davis did they confirm

2167
01:50:37,070 --> 01:50:34,139
Tom Wilson says yes

2168
01:50:39,950 --> 01:50:37,080
so now Admiral Wilson let's let's let's

2169
01:50:42,910 --> 01:50:39,960
think about what's going on here Admiral

2170
01:50:46,250 --> 01:50:42,920
Wilson knows that alien technology

2171
01:50:50,030 --> 01:50:46,260
crashed retrieved flying saucers E.T

2172
01:50:53,810 --> 01:50:50,040
craft not built by human hands

2173
01:50:56,689 --> 01:50:53,820
is in the possession of a contractor

2174
01:50:59,090 --> 01:50:56,699
here in the United States an aerospace

2175
01:51:00,530 --> 01:50:59,100
contractor the top of the top who is

2176
01:51:02,270 --> 01:51:00,540
that I'm going to say lockheed's

2177
01:51:04,490 --> 01:51:02,280
Concords could be McDonnell Douglas it

2178
01:51:08,330 --> 01:51:04,500
could be Boeing right I'm thinking

2179
01:51:10,070 --> 01:51:08,340
Lockheed Skunk Works and now now that

2180
01:51:11,750 --> 01:51:10,080
he's got the name of the contractor now

2181
01:51:13,129 --> 01:51:11,760
he can make phone calls and he's going

2182
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:13,139
to call them and he wants to find out

2183
01:51:18,890 --> 01:51:16,320
what's going on with aliens and E.T Tech

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01:51:22,550 --> 01:51:18,900
and backwards engineering that's Tom

2185
01:51:25,070 --> 01:51:22,560
Wilson's goal Eric Davis says did they

2186
01:51:28,189 --> 01:51:25,080
confirm that this was was the contractor

2187
01:51:33,530 --> 01:51:28,199
Tom Wilson says yes

2188
01:51:33,540 --> 01:51:39,410
because Eric Davis says then

2189
01:51:43,070 --> 01:51:41,629
that's exactly that's the question I

2190
01:51:46,010 --> 01:51:43,080
would have asked

2191
01:51:49,550 --> 01:51:46,020
Tom Wilson says in the end of May of 97

2192
01:51:52,070 --> 01:51:49,560
I made three phone calls

2193
01:51:54,709 --> 01:51:52,080
to the program manager

2194
01:51:59,169 --> 01:51:54,719
one of them a conference call with

2195
01:52:02,750 --> 01:51:59,179
security director and corporate attorney

2196
01:52:05,629 --> 01:52:02,760
conclusion on their part as to why I was

2197
01:52:08,990 --> 01:52:05,639
looking for them and what I wanted from

2198
01:52:12,890 --> 01:52:09,000
them or wanted to know about and Tom

2199
01:52:15,890 --> 01:52:12,900
Wilson said they had a very testy tone

2200
01:52:19,370 --> 01:52:15,900
all of them

2201
01:52:21,770 --> 01:52:19,380
Eric Davis says what do you mean

2202
01:52:24,470 --> 01:52:21,780
Tom Wilson says they were agitated about

2203
01:52:26,270 --> 01:52:24,480
my calling they were surprised about my

2204
01:52:28,070 --> 01:52:26,280
phone call remember this is the deputy

2205
01:52:31,149 --> 01:52:28,080
director of the defense intelligence

2206
01:52:34,970 --> 01:52:31,159
agency J2 Joint Chiefs

2207
01:52:36,890 --> 01:52:34,980
the tippity top and he's calling I'm

2208
01:52:38,270 --> 01:52:36,900
guessing that this is Lockheed Skunk

2209
01:52:40,609 --> 01:52:38,280
Works he's talking to the program

2210
01:52:43,310 --> 01:52:40,619
manager he knows stuff is going on he's

2211
01:52:44,750 --> 01:52:43,320
been told he's been confirmed and now

2212
01:52:46,790 --> 01:52:44,760
he's on a conference call with their

2213
01:52:49,370 --> 01:52:46,800
attorney and the program manager and

2214
01:52:50,750 --> 01:52:49,380
they're like dude uh we don't have to

2215
01:52:57,169 --> 01:52:50,760
talk to you

2216
01:53:02,990 --> 01:53:00,169
and uh so they're surprised by the call

2217
01:53:06,290 --> 01:53:03,000
Eric Davis says uh what you asked them

2218
01:53:09,709 --> 01:53:06,300
and Tom Wilson says yes

2219
01:53:13,189 --> 01:53:09,719
what was that what words Tom Wilson says

2220
01:53:18,950 --> 01:53:16,129
Admiral Wilson man he's the man

2221
01:53:21,410 --> 01:53:18,960
I told I read their program record in

2222
01:53:23,629 --> 01:53:21,420
the O's dad special programs records

2223
01:53:29,209 --> 01:53:23,639
group and wanted to know about their

2224
01:53:35,629 --> 01:53:32,689
and what their role was in that

2225
01:53:36,890 --> 01:53:35,639
what they had

2226
01:53:40,430 --> 01:53:36,900
Etc

2227
01:53:43,189 --> 01:53:40,440
also asked if they heard of mj-12 bold

2228
01:53:50,149 --> 01:53:43,199
move or some such organization code

2229
01:53:52,550 --> 01:53:50,159
relating to Crashed recovered UFO craft

2230
01:53:55,490 --> 01:53:52,560
think about that

2231
01:53:57,830 --> 01:53:55,500
phone call to Lockheed Skunk Works the

2232
01:54:00,290 --> 01:53:57,840
program director of the attorney uh okay

2233
01:54:02,149 --> 01:54:00,300
so what's up with the UFOs

2234
01:54:04,609 --> 01:54:02,159
what's up

2235
01:54:06,350 --> 01:54:04,619
Eric David says what was the reaction on

2236
01:54:09,350 --> 01:54:06,360
the phone to that

2237
01:54:12,890 --> 01:54:09,360
Tom Wilson says yes ask who I talked to

2238
01:54:16,010 --> 01:54:12,900
before I called them so I told them and

2239
01:54:19,070 --> 01:54:16,020
they weren't happy with that answer you

2240
01:54:21,950 --> 01:54:19,080
mean about Perry Paul Etc oh no Tom

2241
01:54:24,530 --> 01:54:21,960
Wilson says I didn't tell them that I

2242
01:54:27,290 --> 01:54:24,540
talked to those guys who else did you

2243
01:54:30,410 --> 01:54:27,300
talk to Tom Wilson says there were other

2244
01:54:32,570 --> 01:54:30,420
program managers I called you didn't

2245
01:54:35,149 --> 01:54:32,580
mention this before Eric Davis says and

2246
01:54:38,030 --> 01:54:35,159
Tom Wilson says oh well I thought I said

2247
01:54:42,290 --> 01:54:38,040
something Eric Davis says who were they

2248
01:54:44,950 --> 01:54:42,300
Tom Wilson says three programs who said

2249
01:54:49,370 --> 01:54:44,960
they weren't what who I was looking for

2250
01:54:52,250 --> 01:54:49,380
four programs that referred me back to

2251
01:54:54,590 --> 01:54:52,260
the present threesome the threesome on

2252
01:54:56,090 --> 01:54:54,600
the phone call this conference call the

2253
01:54:57,950 --> 01:54:56,100
program director the attorney and

2254
01:55:00,229 --> 01:54:57,960
another employee

2255
01:55:02,750 --> 01:55:00,239
um why the latter

2256
01:55:06,410 --> 01:55:02,760
is page nine at the end of page nine

2257
01:55:09,189 --> 01:55:06,420
let's go to page ten Tom Wilson says

2258
01:55:12,950 --> 01:55:09,199
because they were part of it

2259
01:55:15,770 --> 01:55:12,960
in different compartments placed in

2260
01:55:18,470 --> 01:55:15,780
different layers of the compartments

2261
01:55:21,169 --> 01:55:18,480
pyramid

2262
01:55:22,689 --> 01:55:21,179
split up to do different things or parts

2263
01:55:24,950 --> 01:55:22,699
of it

2264
01:55:26,629 --> 01:55:24,960
compartmentalized one hand doesn't know

2265
01:55:28,430 --> 01:55:26,639
what the other one is doing you only

2266
01:55:31,209 --> 01:55:28,440
have a need to know with what you are

2267
01:55:34,430 --> 01:55:31,219
working on on that moment now remember

2268
01:55:36,169 --> 01:55:34,440
and we look at at we're going to

2269
01:55:39,649 --> 01:55:36,179
continue here but if you look at this in

2270
01:55:42,050 --> 01:55:39,659
context so you've got an alien craft

2271
01:55:44,810 --> 01:55:42,060
got a piece of it

2272
01:55:47,350 --> 01:55:44,820
whatever propulsion system a

2273
01:55:51,229 --> 01:55:47,360
communication system maybe

2274
01:55:53,149 --> 01:55:51,239
a structural Metallurgy you've got a

2275
01:55:55,010 --> 01:55:53,159
piece of that you don't know what it's

2276
01:55:57,109 --> 01:55:55,020
from

2277
01:55:59,870 --> 01:55:57,119
right you don't necessarily know it's ET

2278
01:56:03,290 --> 01:55:59,880
you don't they say what is this made of

2279
01:56:06,109 --> 01:56:03,300
what does this do that's your job you

2280
01:56:08,510 --> 01:56:06,119
have no idea that's compartmentalization

2281
01:56:10,070 --> 01:56:08,520
another piece of The Craft is with

2282
01:56:13,390 --> 01:56:10,080
somebody else in another department

2283
01:56:15,410 --> 01:56:13,400
another company all together that's

2284
01:56:17,450 --> 01:56:15,420
compartmentalized and trying to chase

2285
01:56:19,310 --> 01:56:17,460
all of this down that's what Admiral

2286
01:56:20,570 --> 01:56:19,320
Wilson wanted to get to

2287
01:56:22,609 --> 01:56:20,580
so

2288
01:56:24,590 --> 01:56:22,619
it's placed in different layers of the

2289
01:56:27,350 --> 01:56:24,600
compartments pyramid split up to do

2290
01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:27,360
different things or parts of it they're

2291
01:56:33,890 --> 01:56:29,760
all in the same records group but their

2292
01:56:36,229 --> 01:56:33,900
connection to each other is not obvious

2293
01:56:39,709 --> 01:56:36,239
typical thing but it's unusual in

2294
01:56:42,950 --> 01:56:39,719
records because you can't find it right

2295
01:56:45,169 --> 01:56:42,960
Eric Davis says what then

2296
01:56:49,010 --> 01:56:45,179
I told the threesome

2297
01:56:51,590 --> 01:56:49,020
I'm guessing it's Lockheed Skunk Works I

2298
01:56:56,390 --> 01:56:51,600
told the threesome I wanted a formal

2299
01:56:58,490 --> 01:56:56,400
briefing I wanted a tour

2300
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:58,500
he wants to see the spacecraft he wants

2301
01:57:04,010 --> 01:56:59,760
to see the

2302
01:57:10,850 --> 01:57:07,010
I was exploiting my regulatory Authority

2303
01:57:12,950 --> 01:57:10,860
as deputy director Dia assistant chief

2304
01:57:17,689 --> 01:57:12,960
of staff J2

2305
01:57:21,589 --> 01:57:17,699
I told them my not being briefed was

2306
01:57:23,870 --> 01:57:21,599
oversight they needed to correct and I

2307
01:57:26,810 --> 01:57:23,880
demanded it

2308
01:57:30,350 --> 01:57:26,820
right now you would think deputy

2309
01:57:31,729 --> 01:57:30,360
director of the DIA demanding I want a

2310
01:57:34,250 --> 01:57:31,739
tour I want to see what you guys are

2311
01:57:35,870 --> 01:57:34,260
working on and I want to do it now and

2312
01:57:38,330 --> 01:57:35,880
that they will capitulate come on in

2313
01:57:42,109 --> 01:57:38,340
okay all right all right we we can't say

2314
01:57:44,530 --> 01:57:42,119
no to you right now check this out Tom

2315
01:57:47,149 --> 01:57:44,540
Wilson says they needed to discuss this

2316
01:57:50,089 --> 01:57:47,159
his demand

2317
01:57:53,990 --> 01:57:50,099
so he hung up

2318
01:57:56,270 --> 01:57:54,000
got called two days later and they said

2319
01:57:59,810 --> 01:57:56,280
they don't want to talk on the phone and

2320
01:58:04,010 --> 01:57:59,820
arranged for a face-to-face meeting at

2321
01:58:05,149 --> 01:58:04,020
their facility now okay what are we

2322
01:58:06,350 --> 01:58:05,159
talking about here are we talking about

2323
01:58:08,149 --> 01:58:06,360
down the street are we talking about

2324
01:58:09,950 --> 01:58:08,159
Lockheed Skunk Works right here in the

2325
01:58:12,410 --> 01:58:09,960
middle of the Mojave Desert I think so

2326
01:58:13,250 --> 01:58:12,420
that's my guess I think that's what

2327
01:58:15,470 --> 01:58:13,260
happened

2328
01:58:18,770 --> 01:58:15,480
because Tom Wilson says

2329
01:58:21,490 --> 01:58:18,780
uh Eric Davis says did you go

2330
01:58:25,430 --> 01:58:21,500
Tom Wilson says yes 10 days later

2331
01:58:28,430 --> 01:58:25,440
mid-june or so flew out there

2332
01:58:30,530 --> 01:58:28,440
met in their conference room in their

2333
01:58:32,870 --> 01:58:30,540
Secure Vault

2334
01:58:33,890 --> 01:58:32,880
the three of them I'm assuming the three

2335
01:58:36,290 --> 01:58:33,900
of them

2336
01:58:37,490 --> 01:58:36,300
three guys from the conference call they

2337
01:58:41,270 --> 01:58:37,500
show up

2338
01:58:43,250 --> 01:58:41,280
Eric Davis three guys with you uh had

2339
01:58:45,709 --> 01:58:43,260
the teleconference

2340
01:58:50,350 --> 01:58:45,719
Tom Wilson says yes the same three now

2341
01:58:54,530 --> 01:58:50,360
here we go security director NSA retired

2342
01:58:56,990 --> 01:58:54,540
a CI expert he also met with the program

2343
01:59:00,890 --> 01:58:57,000
director he also met with the corporate

2344
01:59:02,510 --> 01:59:00,900
attorney they called themselves the

2345
01:59:07,790 --> 01:59:02,520
watch committee

2346
01:59:14,589 --> 01:59:11,209
why that phraser name Eric Davis says

2347
01:59:17,450 --> 01:59:14,599
Tom Wilson says I asked of course I did

2348
01:59:20,750 --> 01:59:17,460
they said that they were formed out of

2349
01:59:23,810 --> 01:59:20,760
necessity to protect themselves after a

2350
01:59:25,490 --> 01:59:23,820
near disaster in the past almost blew

2351
01:59:27,470 --> 01:59:25,500
their cover

2352
01:59:29,209 --> 01:59:27,480
something to do with an agreement that

2353
01:59:33,229 --> 01:59:29,219
was reached with a couple of Pentagon

2354
01:59:36,410 --> 01:59:33,239
SES overseeing saps in those days were

2355
01:59:38,689 --> 01:59:36,420
vague about when that was

2356
01:59:42,709 --> 01:59:38,699
Eric David says what was this and Tom

2357
01:59:46,850 --> 01:59:42,719
Wilson says dude let me finish

2358
01:59:49,490 --> 01:59:46,860
they said years ago in a past uh an

2359
01:59:52,209 --> 01:59:49,500
audit investigation led to them and it

2360
01:59:56,270 --> 01:59:52,219
wasn't supposed to they were nearly

2361
01:59:58,550 --> 01:59:56,280
outed a battle a nasty back and forth

2362
02:00:01,910 --> 01:59:58,560
between them and the investigator and

2363
02:00:05,149 --> 02:00:01,920
his Pentagon Chief ensued like a tug of

2364
02:00:09,050 --> 02:00:05,159
war for programs uh transparency they

2365
02:00:13,570 --> 02:00:09,060
told me money was the issue they're

2366
02:00:17,030 --> 02:00:13,580
hiding out because of the other issue

2367
02:00:19,370 --> 02:00:17,040
UFOs E.T and what did I say about the

2368
02:00:22,250 --> 02:00:19,380
budget these sap programs once this

2369
02:00:25,370 --> 02:00:22,260
money leaves Congress that's it

2370
02:00:27,169 --> 02:00:25,380
that's it this is is black and as dark

2371
02:00:30,830 --> 02:00:27,179
of anything that you can do and that's

2372
02:00:34,729 --> 02:00:30,840
the sap world and Admiral Wilson says

2373
02:00:38,209 --> 02:00:34,739
this ET alien thing is even darker and

2374
02:00:40,189 --> 02:00:38,219
more secretive than an sap program

2375
02:00:43,370 --> 02:00:40,199
let's take our break right here we are

2376
02:00:44,930 --> 02:00:43,380
on page 10. this is Fade to Black I am

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02:00:47,149 --> 02:00:44,940
your host Jimmy church tonight a two and

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a half hour Deep dive into the Wilson

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02:00:52,790 --> 02:00:49,320
Davis documents remember all of this is

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02:00:54,790 --> 02:00:52,800
Now supported by the oak Shannon notes

2381
02:00:58,209 --> 02:00:54,800
that were just revealed by Grant Cameron

2382
02:01:00,950 --> 02:00:58,219
and the Jack Houck notes

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02:01:02,570 --> 02:01:00,960
revealed by Melinda Leslie and of course

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uh dated 2002 and uh it's Eric Davis

2452
02:04:56,870 --> 02:04:54,239
notes of a conversation that he had in

2453
02:04:59,330 --> 02:04:56,880
the back of a car uh behind the EG and G

2454
02:05:03,290 --> 02:04:59,340
building in Las Vegas Nevada at McCarran

2455
02:05:06,709 --> 02:05:03,300
airport and EG and G is the company that

2456
02:05:09,649 --> 02:05:06,719
uh operates the Janet airlines that

2457
02:05:11,390 --> 02:05:09,659
finds the workers to and from uh Area 51

2458
02:05:14,570 --> 02:05:11,400
uh every single day

2459
02:05:18,050 --> 02:05:14,580
and uh so here we are at UFO you know

2460
02:05:20,629 --> 02:05:18,060
alien Central uh Area 51 and and Janet

2461
02:05:25,070 --> 02:05:20,639
Airlines and this conversation goes down

2462
02:05:28,310 --> 02:05:25,080
uh be between Eric Davis a physicist uh

2463
02:05:30,950 --> 02:05:28,320
who now works for Aerospace Corporation

2464
02:05:34,070 --> 02:05:30,960
um Eric Davis by the way if you go back

2465
02:05:36,070 --> 02:05:34,080
to uh Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kane's

2466
02:05:39,229 --> 02:05:36,080
article that came out

2467
02:05:43,010 --> 02:05:39,239
oh a year and a half ago

2468
02:05:44,570 --> 02:05:43,020
and in that article Eric Davis quoted

2469
02:05:47,629 --> 02:05:44,580
um at the bottom of the article saying

2470
02:05:52,010 --> 02:05:47,639
that uh I'm paraphrasing here

2471
02:05:55,330 --> 02:05:52,020
um that uh he had briefed the Senate

2472
02:05:58,490 --> 02:05:55,340
uh about crashed

2473
02:06:00,770 --> 02:05:58,500
retrieved flying saucers that the United

2474
02:06:03,770 --> 02:06:00,780
States government that that that Eric

2475
02:06:07,129 --> 02:06:03,780
Davis so this conversation took place 20

2476
02:06:11,689 --> 02:06:07,139
years ago uh in 2002 and this is Eric

2477
02:06:15,350 --> 02:06:11,699
Davis's notes between him and retired uh

2478
02:06:17,510 --> 02:06:15,360
rear Admiral Thomas Wilson who

2479
02:06:19,310 --> 02:06:17,520
um at the time when he was deputy

2480
02:06:20,510 --> 02:06:19,320
director of the defense intelligence

2481
02:06:23,629 --> 02:06:20,520
agency

2482
02:06:27,470 --> 02:06:23,639
when on a scavenger hunt trying to

2483
02:06:29,570 --> 02:06:27,480
figure out uh who had these alien craft

2484
02:06:32,089 --> 02:06:29,580
who was back engineering it where the

2485
02:06:34,430 --> 02:06:32,099
technology was uh what kind of special

2486
02:06:37,370 --> 02:06:34,440
access programs were applied to this who

2487
02:06:39,530 --> 02:06:37,380
the companies were and and what did we

2488
02:06:41,270 --> 02:06:39,540
have and what did we know and that was

2489
02:06:44,990 --> 02:06:41,280
his pursuit of all of this and that's

2490
02:06:46,430 --> 02:06:45,000
what this conversation is about now the

2491
02:06:50,209 --> 02:06:46,440
reason why we're covering this tonight

2492
02:06:54,350 --> 02:06:50,219
is because this week a few things

2493
02:06:57,530 --> 02:06:54,360
happened one uh Oak Shannon who is front

2494
02:07:00,169 --> 02:06:57,540
and center in this document came forward

2495
02:07:03,290 --> 02:07:00,179
uh in an interview

2496
02:07:05,870 --> 02:07:03,300
and uh spoke about Admiral Wilson spoke

2497
02:07:09,169 --> 02:07:05,880
about Eric Davis and the conversations

2498
02:07:12,530 --> 02:07:09,179
that he had about the both of them uh

2499
02:07:14,870 --> 02:07:12,540
going back in 1999 which is referenced

2500
02:07:18,229 --> 02:07:14,880
in this

2501
02:07:21,709 --> 02:07:18,239
number one number two Oak Shannon's

2502
02:07:24,910 --> 02:07:21,719
notes of a working group meeting that

2503
02:07:29,089 --> 02:07:24,920
took place over two days in 1985 about

2504
02:07:31,669 --> 02:07:29,099
uh uh uh the alien E.T presence and

2505
02:07:33,470 --> 02:07:31,679
crash flying saucers and research and

2506
02:07:35,390 --> 02:07:33,480
development of the technology and the

2507
02:07:38,750 --> 02:07:35,400
physics behind it that took place in

2508
02:07:41,390 --> 02:07:38,760
1985. uh the oak Shannon notes have now

2509
02:07:45,169 --> 02:07:41,400
gone public also present at that meeting

2510
02:07:49,070 --> 02:07:45,179
in 1985 was one Jack Houck Jack houck's

2511
02:07:52,370 --> 02:07:49,080
working notes uh um and minutes of that

2512
02:07:56,689 --> 02:07:52,380
meeting were in the possession of uh

2513
02:07:58,729 --> 02:07:56,699
Melinda Leslie and she has uh brought

2514
02:08:01,790 --> 02:07:58,739
those notes out public all of them

2515
02:08:06,530 --> 02:08:01,800
support a the meeting that took place in

2516
02:08:08,350 --> 02:08:06,540
1985 and also support this document that

2517
02:08:11,450 --> 02:08:08,360
has been out now for about three years

2518
02:08:13,970 --> 02:08:11,460
Grant Cameron is at the center of all of

2519
02:08:16,490 --> 02:08:13,980
this not only with the uh Oak Shannon

2520
02:08:20,089 --> 02:08:16,500
notes but but this document here that

2521
02:08:24,290 --> 02:08:20,099
we're going through tonight that was in

2522
02:08:26,810 --> 02:08:24,300
the uh records of Edgar Mitchell who

2523
02:08:29,990 --> 02:08:26,820
passed away and this was part of his

2524
02:08:32,870 --> 02:08:30,000
archive that was released Center in all

2525
02:08:34,850 --> 02:08:32,880
of this too is Richard Dolan uh because

2526
02:08:36,470 --> 02:08:34,860
not only Richard and I were sent this

2527
02:08:38,930 --> 02:08:36,480
document at the same time when we

2528
02:08:42,109 --> 02:08:38,940
reviewed it together but Richard Dolan

2529
02:08:44,930 --> 02:08:42,119
previous to the documents reveal spoke

2530
02:08:47,810 --> 02:08:44,940
about two pages of this document on this

2531
02:08:51,830 --> 02:08:47,820
program many years ago but he only had

2532
02:08:54,050 --> 02:08:51,840
two pages of the 13 and uh and of course

2533
02:08:56,930 --> 02:08:54,060
there's the will Miller letter that is

2534
02:08:59,330 --> 02:08:56,940
two pages of this document as well

2535
02:09:02,750 --> 02:08:59,340
um and there you go so that's where we

2536
02:09:05,390 --> 02:09:02,760
are now back into the deep dive I ended

2537
02:09:07,729 --> 02:09:05,400
the the next page page 11 well and the

2538
02:09:09,109 --> 02:09:07,739
rest of the document uh really goes into

2539
02:09:12,229 --> 02:09:09,119
Crazy Town

2540
02:09:14,870 --> 02:09:12,239
again all supported by everything else

2541
02:09:17,330 --> 02:09:14,880
that has happened this week uh I now

2542
02:09:19,790 --> 02:09:17,340
believe that this conversation uh this

2543
02:09:21,649 --> 02:09:19,800
is my opinion but I do think that this

2544
02:09:23,930 --> 02:09:21,659
conversation happened between Eric Davis

2545
02:09:26,209 --> 02:09:23,940
and Thomas Wilson and that these are

2546
02:09:28,850 --> 02:09:26,219
accurate notes I believe that now with

2547
02:09:31,790 --> 02:09:28,860
everything else that is supporting this

2548
02:09:34,729 --> 02:09:31,800
document that's my opinion you do your

2549
02:09:36,350 --> 02:09:34,739
own research all right now at the end of

2550
02:09:42,229 --> 02:09:36,360
uh page 10

2551
02:09:45,169 --> 02:09:42,239
uh Tom Wilson says uh uh let me finish

2552
02:09:49,070 --> 02:09:45,179
okay and this continues on page 11. he

2553
02:09:53,390 --> 02:09:51,410
they said years ago in a past audit

2554
02:09:55,189 --> 02:09:53,400
investigation led to them and it wasn't

2555
02:09:56,870 --> 02:09:55,199
supposed to he's talking about Lockheed

2556
02:09:58,070 --> 02:09:56,880
Skunk Works I'm guessing there but I'm

2557
02:10:01,010 --> 02:09:58,080
pretty sure that's who he's talking

2558
02:10:02,750 --> 02:10:01,020
about a battle a nasty back and forth

2559
02:10:05,510 --> 02:10:02,760
between them and the investigator and

2560
02:10:09,410 --> 02:10:05,520
the Pentagon Chief ensued like a tug of

2561
02:10:11,930 --> 02:10:09,420
war for program transparency UFO right

2562
02:10:14,089 --> 02:10:11,940
they told me money was the issue they're

2563
02:10:17,450 --> 02:10:14,099
hiding out because of the other issue

2564
02:10:20,570 --> 02:10:17,460
the UFO ET issue all right now check

2565
02:10:23,270 --> 02:10:20,580
this out this is Page 11.

2566
02:10:25,430 --> 02:10:23,280
some kind of threat was leveled to blow

2567
02:10:29,209 --> 02:10:25,440
the lid off of them so they backed down

2568
02:10:33,589 --> 02:10:29,219
and let the investigator in to complete

2569
02:10:39,470 --> 02:10:33,599
his job right and he says they work very

2570
02:10:41,990 --> 02:10:39,480
hard to keep the program hidden

2571
02:10:43,010 --> 02:10:42,000
so Eric Davis says what happened with

2572
02:10:45,770 --> 02:10:43,020
that

2573
02:10:48,770 --> 02:10:45,780
Tom Wilson says he was officially

2574
02:10:52,070 --> 02:10:48,780
briefed and given a tour shown the

2575
02:10:55,010 --> 02:10:52,080
program Eric Davis says did they show

2576
02:10:56,750 --> 02:10:55,020
him a craft

2577
02:11:01,129 --> 02:10:56,760
E.T craft

2578
02:11:03,589 --> 02:11:01,139
or Hardware they said was alien or from

2579
02:11:05,870 --> 02:11:03,599
a UFO we're not mincing words here we're

2580
02:11:07,490 --> 02:11:05,880
not this not guesswork about what this

2581
02:11:10,189 --> 02:11:07,500
conversation is about in the back of

2582
02:11:13,310 --> 02:11:10,199
this car Eric Davis asked a very direct

2583
02:11:15,830 --> 02:11:13,320
question did they show him the

2584
02:11:17,930 --> 02:11:15,840
investigator from the Pentagon did they

2585
02:11:19,850 --> 02:11:17,940
show him a craft remember Lockheed Skunk

2586
02:11:21,709 --> 02:11:19,860
Works again I'm guessing here it's it's

2587
02:11:23,810 --> 02:11:21,719
keeping all of the secret they don't

2588
02:11:25,790 --> 02:11:23,820
want people to know what they are

2589
02:11:29,750 --> 02:11:25,800
working on this is a special access

2590
02:11:33,890 --> 02:11:29,760
program at another level they want this

2591
02:11:37,370 --> 02:11:33,900
to completely Secret

2592
02:11:41,810 --> 02:11:37,380
did they show him a craft or Hardware

2593
02:11:43,669 --> 02:11:41,820
they said was alien or from a UFO

2594
02:11:46,370 --> 02:11:43,679
Tom Wilson says

2595
02:11:49,310 --> 02:11:46,380
didn't say more about that

2596
02:11:52,250 --> 02:11:49,320
they said after that episode of a formal

2597
02:11:55,790 --> 02:11:52,260
agreement was struck with Pentagon

2598
02:11:59,390 --> 02:11:55,800
people the the sapoc to prevent this in

2599
02:12:01,070 --> 02:11:59,400
the future didn't want a repeat they

2600
02:12:02,750 --> 02:12:01,080
didn't want another investigate Gator

2601
02:12:04,490 --> 02:12:02,760
coming back they didn't want to have to

2602
02:12:06,530 --> 02:12:04,500
show what the program was about they

2603
02:12:09,530 --> 02:12:06,540
wanted to run in secret

2604
02:12:12,290 --> 02:12:09,540
special criteria were established in

2605
02:12:16,129 --> 02:12:12,300
agreement a special circumstance that

2606
02:12:18,649 --> 02:12:16,139
must meet rigorous access criteria set

2607
02:12:21,050 --> 02:12:18,659
by contractor committee

2608
02:12:24,890 --> 02:12:21,060
no United States government Personnel

2609
02:12:27,109 --> 02:12:24,900
are to gain access unless they met the

2610
02:12:29,089 --> 02:12:27,119
criteria to be administered by

2611
02:12:32,149 --> 02:12:29,099
contractor committee program director

2612
02:12:35,030 --> 02:12:32,159
attorney security director irregardless

2613
02:12:36,589 --> 02:12:35,040
that's not even a word regardless of the

2614
02:12:39,970 --> 02:12:36,599
tickets and position the United States

2615
02:12:45,290 --> 02:12:39,980
government Personnel possessed

2616
02:12:48,709 --> 02:12:45,300
literally their way or the highway

2617
02:12:50,629 --> 02:12:48,719
right here literally their way or the

2618
02:12:52,490 --> 02:12:50,639
highway which is the conversation that

2619
02:12:54,169 --> 02:12:52,500
Tom Wilson had with these three in the

2620
02:12:55,010 --> 02:12:54,179
conference call we don't have to talk to

2621
02:12:58,669 --> 02:12:55,020
you

2622
02:13:02,990 --> 02:12:58,679
director of the defense intelligence

2623
02:13:10,609 --> 02:13:06,850
literally their way or the highway

2624
02:13:12,649 --> 02:13:10,619
Ed uh Eric Davis says what are the

2625
02:13:16,490 --> 02:13:12,659
criteria

2626
02:13:20,390 --> 02:13:16,500
Tom Wilson says I asked I asked for what

2627
02:13:23,270 --> 02:13:20,400
and they refused to give an answer let

2628
02:13:24,950 --> 02:13:23,280
me repeat that I asked for that and they

2629
02:13:27,050 --> 02:13:24,960
refused to give an answer

2630
02:13:31,069 --> 02:13:27,060
I was mad

2631
02:13:34,310 --> 02:13:31,079
implication is now to me that they

2632
02:13:37,729 --> 02:13:34,320
operate without official oversight or

2633
02:13:41,569 --> 02:13:37,739
any justification politically dangerous

2634
02:13:47,030 --> 02:13:44,330
they can do whatever they want

2635
02:13:49,550 --> 02:13:47,040
they don't answer to anybody and not

2636
02:13:51,890 --> 02:13:49,560
even to the deputy director of the

2637
02:13:54,470 --> 02:13:51,900
defense intelligence agency

2638
02:13:55,550 --> 02:13:54,480
so Tom Wilson continues he says the

2639
02:13:58,550 --> 02:13:55,560
threesome

2640
02:14:01,010 --> 02:13:58,560
concerned with who Tom Wilson had talked

2641
02:14:04,189 --> 02:14:01,020
to at the Pentagon or elsewhere by phone

2642
02:14:05,589 --> 02:14:04,199
fax email wanted accounting of

2643
02:14:08,930 --> 02:14:05,599
conversations

2644
02:14:11,089 --> 02:14:08,940
concerned about new exposure

2645
02:14:12,470 --> 02:14:11,099
yeah they were worried about what Tom

2646
02:14:15,050 --> 02:14:12,480
Wilson was going to tell other people

2647
02:14:16,910 --> 02:14:15,060
and where this his investigation was

2648
02:14:18,229 --> 02:14:16,920
going to go that they had already gone

2649
02:14:21,290 --> 02:14:18,239
through this before they weren't going

2650
02:14:23,510 --> 02:14:21,300
to do it again and they didn't have to

2651
02:14:25,430 --> 02:14:23,520
and the purpose of the meeting Tom

2652
02:14:29,390 --> 02:14:25,440
Wilson says right here

2653
02:14:32,990 --> 02:14:29,400
was to tell me this

2654
02:14:37,250 --> 02:14:35,750
Eric Davis says what

2655
02:14:41,510 --> 02:14:37,260
Tom Wilson

2656
02:14:43,069 --> 02:14:41,520
that they weren't going to let me in the

2657
02:14:44,870 --> 02:14:43,079
door

2658
02:14:47,930 --> 02:14:44,880
right there

2659
02:14:53,030 --> 02:14:47,940
Eric Davis says why

2660
02:14:56,330 --> 02:14:53,040
they said my tickets right my paperwork

2661
02:14:59,569 --> 02:14:56,340
were all confirmed and valid but I was

2662
02:15:01,669 --> 02:14:59,579
not on the bigot list

2663
02:15:03,350 --> 02:15:01,679
now what is a bigot list what is a bigot

2664
02:15:05,569 --> 02:15:03,360
now we know what a big it is right

2665
02:15:07,910 --> 02:15:05,579
somebody that has got a

2666
02:15:11,450 --> 02:15:07,920
a set of beliefs that you're not going

2667
02:15:13,729 --> 02:15:11,460
to bend on right you're not going to

2668
02:15:16,729 --> 02:15:13,739
there's a negative connotation behind

2669
02:15:18,649 --> 02:15:16,739
that right but what would bigot list in

2670
02:15:22,010 --> 02:15:18,659
this context mean

2671
02:15:23,689 --> 02:15:22,020
right that you would have possibly and

2672
02:15:25,310 --> 02:15:23,699
I'm going to talk to Richard Dolan about

2673
02:15:27,410 --> 02:15:25,320
this again tomorrow night we've talked

2674
02:15:28,910 --> 02:15:27,420
about the word bigot and bigot list and

2675
02:15:32,689 --> 02:15:28,920
what it means

2676
02:15:35,390 --> 02:15:32,699
um that if you're on that list you are

2677
02:15:37,609 --> 02:15:35,400
part of the program

2678
02:15:40,550 --> 02:15:37,619
that your belief system you can be

2679
02:15:43,189 --> 02:15:40,560
trying you you will not Bend now think

2680
02:15:45,890 --> 02:15:43,199
about that the bigot list

2681
02:15:49,430 --> 02:15:45,900
okay now think about this

2682
02:15:51,770 --> 02:15:49,440
my tickets alone were not enough to be

2683
02:15:54,410 --> 02:15:51,780
on the bigot list I did meet the special

2684
02:15:58,370 --> 02:15:54,420
criteria so need to know authorization

2685
02:16:00,709 --> 02:15:58,380
was not being granted that's right

2686
02:16:03,169 --> 02:16:00,719
deputy director of the defense

2687
02:16:06,229 --> 02:16:03,179
intelligence agency you supposedly have

2688
02:16:08,689 --> 02:16:06,239
all the secrets right well not here not

2689
02:16:11,270 --> 02:16:08,699
when it comes to UFOs and ET

2690
02:16:13,970 --> 02:16:11,280
I went back and forth with them over

2691
02:16:16,910 --> 02:16:13,980
these points primarily with a security

2692
02:16:19,790 --> 02:16:16,920
director and attorney

2693
02:16:22,850 --> 02:16:19,800
let's go to the next page

2694
02:16:25,430 --> 02:16:22,860
Tom Wilson says

2695
02:16:27,890 --> 02:16:25,440
we argued more

2696
02:16:30,890 --> 02:16:27,900
they wouldn't accept my arguments that

2697
02:16:33,349 --> 02:16:30,900
they fell under my statutory oversight

2698
02:16:35,150 --> 02:16:33,359
and Regulatory Authority as deputy

2699
02:16:38,690 --> 02:16:35,160
director of the defense intelligence

2700
02:16:42,110 --> 02:16:38,700
agency under purview for my right to

2701
02:16:44,750 --> 02:16:42,120
have need to know oversight audit

2702
02:16:45,889 --> 02:16:44,760
justification issues etc

2703
02:16:48,830 --> 02:16:45,899
etc

2704
02:16:50,870 --> 02:16:48,840
and he makes these two points Regulatory

2705
02:16:52,910 --> 02:16:50,880
and statutory Authority as deputy

2706
02:16:57,169 --> 02:16:52,920
director of the defense intelligence

2707
02:17:00,230 --> 02:16:57,179
agency not relevant or pertinent to

2708
02:17:03,290 --> 02:17:00,240
nature of their program exclamation

2709
02:17:05,870 --> 02:17:03,300
point emphasis right there

2710
02:17:09,410 --> 02:17:05,880
he doesn't have oversight they don't

2711
02:17:12,049 --> 02:17:09,420
care about who he is

2712
02:17:13,969 --> 02:17:12,059
they pulled up then they pulled out

2713
02:17:18,290 --> 02:17:13,979
their bigot list to convince me

2714
02:17:21,709 --> 02:17:18,300
otherwise several pages long dated 1990

2715
02:17:24,429 --> 02:17:21,719
and updated in 1993. Eric Davis says who

2716
02:17:28,669 --> 02:17:24,439
was on it did you recognize any name

2717
02:17:31,009 --> 02:17:28,679
and Thomas Wilson says that is core

2718
02:17:32,810 --> 02:17:31,019
Secret

2719
02:17:35,990 --> 02:17:32,820
who was on the bigot list who was need

2720
02:17:38,929 --> 02:17:36,000
to know in the alien E.T conversation

2721
02:17:41,450 --> 02:17:38,939
UFOs willing to say that most were

2722
02:17:44,509 --> 02:17:41,460
program employees names and titles job

2723
02:17:46,969 --> 02:17:44,519
titles civilians didn't recognize any

2724
02:17:49,070 --> 02:17:46,979
military personnel that could be there

2725
02:17:52,129 --> 02:17:49,080
they could be there

2726
02:17:54,349 --> 02:17:52,139
Davis says any politicians

2727
02:17:57,230 --> 02:17:54,359
check this out

2728
02:17:59,870 --> 02:17:57,240
Tom Wilson says no

2729
02:18:04,730 --> 02:17:59,880
there were no politicians on the bigot

2730
02:18:07,429 --> 02:18:04,740
list no White House names no president

2731
02:18:11,929 --> 02:18:07,439
no Congressional people

2732
02:18:17,810 --> 02:18:15,230
this is about E.T aliens UFOs backwards

2733
02:18:20,150 --> 02:18:17,820
engineering craft

2734
02:18:23,690 --> 02:18:20,160
backwards engineering research and

2735
02:18:27,049 --> 02:18:23,700
development of ET technology the

2736
02:18:29,030 --> 02:18:27,059
president doesn't know Eric Davis says

2737
02:18:32,990 --> 02:18:29,040
any Clinton or bush senior

2738
02:18:35,330 --> 02:18:33,000
administrations Thomas Wilson says no

2739
02:18:38,690 --> 02:18:35,340
but a handful of names were Pentagon

2740
02:18:41,810 --> 02:18:38,700
individuals I recognize a few from ostat

2741
02:18:47,750 --> 02:18:41,820
one from another department another at

2742
02:18:50,450 --> 02:18:47,760
the NSC who is Pentagon SES employee

2743
02:18:52,370 --> 02:18:50,460
but he says that uh check out these

2744
02:18:54,589 --> 02:18:52,380
points

2745
02:18:58,129 --> 02:18:54,599
right manager said they were

2746
02:18:59,509 --> 02:18:58,139
not that Lockheed I'm saying Lockheed

2747
02:19:02,509 --> 02:18:59,519
I'm guessing here but I'm pretty sure

2748
02:19:06,049 --> 02:19:02,519
that Lockheed was not any weapons

2749
02:19:09,290 --> 02:19:06,059
program not any intelligence program not

2750
02:19:11,870 --> 02:19:09,300
any special ops or Logistics program and

2751
02:19:16,669 --> 02:19:11,880
didn't fit in these categories I asked

2752
02:19:19,370 --> 02:19:16,679
what they were then loud groan from the

2753
02:19:22,370 --> 02:19:19,380
program manager security director and

2754
02:19:24,110 --> 02:19:22,380
attorney said it's okay to say it

2755
02:19:26,570 --> 02:19:24,120
now I know what you're saying right

2756
02:19:29,089 --> 02:19:26,580
right right here right now say what

2757
02:19:32,209 --> 02:19:29,099
right that's what I would say and that's

2758
02:19:34,910 --> 02:19:32,219
what Eric Davis said Eric Davis said

2759
02:19:37,009 --> 02:19:34,920
say what what were they gonna say

2760
02:19:43,250 --> 02:19:37,019
Thomas Wilson said

2761
02:19:46,610 --> 02:19:43,260
they were a reverse engineering program

2762
02:19:49,910 --> 02:19:46,620
now listen to these words carefully

2763
02:19:51,849 --> 02:19:49,920
something recovered years ago in the

2764
02:19:57,469 --> 02:19:51,859
past

2765
02:19:59,510 --> 02:19:57,479
technological Hardware was recovered

2766
02:20:02,810 --> 02:19:59,520
so Thomas Wilson said so I thought they

2767
02:20:05,990 --> 02:20:02,820
meant recovered Soviet Chinese Etc

2768
02:20:08,570 --> 02:20:06,000
hardware and reverse engineer it like a

2769
02:20:11,030 --> 02:20:08,580
missile or Intel platform or aircraft

2770
02:20:12,889 --> 02:20:11,040
actually came to meeting expecting to

2771
02:20:15,469 --> 02:20:12,899
find a sensitive foreign collection and

2772
02:20:17,090 --> 02:20:15,479
reverse engineering operation thought

2773
02:20:22,969 --> 02:20:17,100
UFOs

2774
02:20:25,730 --> 02:20:24,410
crazy

2775
02:20:30,889 --> 02:20:25,740
because

2776
02:20:32,690 --> 02:20:30,899
Thomas Wilson says so I said that

2777
02:20:36,710 --> 02:20:32,700
and they said

2778
02:20:38,510 --> 02:20:36,720
nah they weren't that either

2779
02:20:41,030 --> 02:20:38,520
it ain't the ruskies

2780
02:20:44,330 --> 02:20:41,040
it's not the Chinese

2781
02:20:51,889 --> 02:20:48,170
and if we back up I want to emphasize

2782
02:20:55,670 --> 02:20:51,899
this that the security director and

2783
02:20:58,849 --> 02:20:55,680
attorney said it's okay

2784
02:21:04,010 --> 02:21:01,670
that it's E.T that they are a reverse

2785
02:21:07,790 --> 02:21:04,020
engineering program and that's what they

2786
02:21:08,990 --> 02:21:07,800
were doing at Lockheed Skunk Works

2787
02:21:13,010 --> 02:21:09,000
foreign

2788
02:21:18,830 --> 02:21:17,090
page 13. they had program manager

2789
02:21:23,090 --> 02:21:18,840
talking

2790
02:21:33,710 --> 02:21:26,870
an intact craft

2791
02:21:33,720 --> 02:21:40,010
that could fly in space in air in water

2792
02:21:48,349 --> 02:21:42,889
in other dimensions

2793
02:21:55,070 --> 02:21:51,830
he says was it from overseas or not

2794
02:22:00,110 --> 02:21:55,080
and the three said no

2795
02:22:02,510 --> 02:22:00,120
could not be not possible

2796
02:22:04,849 --> 02:22:02,520
that's from the three

2797
02:22:07,910 --> 02:22:04,859
in the vault in the communication Vault

2798
02:22:17,030 --> 02:22:11,809
Thomas Wilson says why I ask

2799
02:22:20,570 --> 02:22:19,309
program manager

2800
02:22:24,950 --> 02:22:20,580
said

2801
02:22:27,469 --> 02:22:24,960
they didn't know where it was from

2802
02:22:29,990 --> 02:22:27,479
they had some ideas on this

2803
02:22:36,230 --> 02:22:30,000
it's right here in parentheses it was

2804
02:22:40,150 --> 02:22:36,240
technology that was not of this Earth

2805
02:22:46,610 --> 02:22:40,160
not made by man

2806
02:22:52,250 --> 02:22:48,530
he said that they were trying to

2807
02:22:56,210 --> 02:22:52,260
understand and exploit technology their

2808
02:22:58,910 --> 02:22:56,220
program was going on for years and years

2809
02:22:59,929 --> 02:22:58,920
with very slow progress now let's stop

2810
02:23:08,030 --> 02:22:59,939
right there

2811
02:23:11,809 --> 02:23:08,040
why is this relevant okay so let's uh

2812
02:23:14,450 --> 02:23:11,819
uh let's say I'll pick something simple

2813
02:23:16,910 --> 02:23:14,460
let's say uh

2814
02:23:23,030 --> 02:23:16,920
a CD player

2815
02:23:26,809 --> 02:23:23,040
are right nobody has them anymore right

2816
02:23:29,570 --> 02:23:26,819
and that's today in 2022. everybody had

2817
02:23:33,530 --> 02:23:29,580
CD players in 1995 20 years ago right

2818
02:23:35,450 --> 02:23:33,540
okay so uh a CD player so now let's go a

2819
02:23:37,969 --> 02:23:35,460
thousand years in the future

2820
02:23:40,610 --> 02:23:37,979
all right somebody's digging you know

2821
02:23:44,090 --> 02:23:40,620
they find a CD player

2822
02:23:46,849 --> 02:23:44,100
they have no idea so now you're holding

2823
02:23:48,889 --> 02:23:46,859
the CD player you don't have a CD

2824
02:23:52,429 --> 02:23:48,899
you don't even know what it you have no

2825
02:23:55,490 --> 02:23:52,439
idea you're looking at it what is it

2826
02:23:58,610 --> 02:23:55,500
now how would you figure out that let's

2827
02:24:00,469 --> 02:23:58,620
go a million years in the future I just

2828
02:24:02,330 --> 02:24:00,479
said a thousand years right let's go a

2829
02:24:03,530 --> 02:24:02,340
million years in the future and you dig

2830
02:24:05,929 --> 02:24:03,540
that up

2831
02:24:07,130 --> 02:24:05,939
unless you've got an instruction manual

2832
02:24:09,590 --> 02:24:07,140
with it

2833
02:24:12,290 --> 02:24:09,600
you have no clue

2834
02:24:14,389 --> 02:24:12,300
and to backwards engineering to to try

2835
02:24:18,110 --> 02:24:14,399
to figure it out it plays audio so you

2836
02:24:22,010 --> 02:24:18,120
put a a disk in it that's sampled a

2837
02:24:24,530 --> 02:24:22,020
16-bit at you know and and then you put

2838
02:24:25,969 --> 02:24:24,540
it and then a thing and it's got a laser

2839
02:24:27,889 --> 02:24:25,979
and it's picking up and it's going to

2840
02:24:30,710 --> 02:24:27,899
play music

2841
02:24:32,809 --> 02:24:30,720
how would you know

2842
02:24:35,270 --> 02:24:32,819
it would be a difficult thing now let's

2843
02:24:39,590 --> 02:24:35,280
let's go to something like this where

2844
02:24:41,450 --> 02:24:39,600
you have an alien flying craft Flying

2845
02:24:42,889 --> 02:24:41,460
Saucer let's just say Flying Saucer you

2846
02:24:45,410 --> 02:24:42,899
got a UFO

2847
02:24:49,309 --> 02:24:45,420
if no instruction manual

2848
02:24:52,429 --> 02:24:49,319
you have nobody to tell you uh uh are

2849
02:24:54,410 --> 02:24:52,439
there and you know is there a driver's

2850
02:24:57,830 --> 02:24:54,420
manual that comes with this

2851
02:25:00,290 --> 02:24:57,840
uh the propulsion system any of that

2852
02:25:02,270 --> 02:25:00,300
how are you going to a communication

2853
02:25:04,490 --> 02:25:02,280
system a navigation system how are you

2854
02:25:07,309 --> 02:25:04,500
going to backwards engineer that you

2855
02:25:10,790 --> 02:25:07,319
know a circuit technology in

2856
02:25:14,450 --> 02:25:10,800
construction of this how do you know any

2857
02:25:18,110 --> 02:25:14,460
of this you don't and so backwards

2858
02:25:20,150 --> 02:25:18,120
engineering that is a complex difficult

2859
02:25:24,130 --> 02:25:20,160
thing to figure out how something

2860
02:25:27,590 --> 02:25:24,140
operates how it run how it even turns on

2861
02:25:30,290 --> 02:25:27,600
it will be slow going and that's an

2862
02:25:33,950 --> 02:25:30,300
obvious thing if you're an engineering

2863
02:25:35,750 --> 02:25:33,960
company but for uh the general public to

2864
02:25:37,849 --> 02:25:35,760
look at a statement like that well why

2865
02:25:40,070 --> 02:25:37,859
can you know we just jump on the ship

2866
02:25:42,590 --> 02:25:40,080
and you know they did it in Independence

2867
02:25:43,849 --> 02:25:42,600
Day Will Smith man they just flew that

2868
02:25:49,010 --> 02:25:43,859
thing straight out of there him and Jeff

2869
02:25:54,110 --> 02:25:51,410
so for Thomas Wilson to make this

2870
02:25:56,450 --> 02:25:54,120
statement that coming from again I'm

2871
02:25:58,790 --> 02:25:56,460
guessing Lockheed Skunk Works said they

2872
02:26:01,550 --> 02:25:58,800
were trying to understand and exploit

2873
02:26:04,910 --> 02:26:01,560
technology their program was going on

2874
02:26:07,929 --> 02:26:04,920
for years and years with very slow

2875
02:26:10,550 --> 02:26:07,939
progress and then he continues

2876
02:26:15,290 --> 02:26:10,560
agonizingly slow

2877
02:26:17,570 --> 02:26:15,300
with little or no success

2878
02:26:20,870 --> 02:26:17,580
but they believed it could fly remember

2879
02:26:24,670 --> 02:26:20,880
he just stated it's intact they believe

2880
02:26:27,610 --> 02:26:24,680
it could fly it's can't do it

2881
02:26:30,830 --> 02:26:27,620
amazingly slow with little or no success

2882
02:26:32,809 --> 02:26:30,840
painful lack of collaboration to get

2883
02:26:35,090 --> 02:26:32,819
help from outside the community of

2884
02:26:39,410 --> 02:26:35,100
experts and Facilities to assist the

2885
02:26:42,170 --> 02:26:39,420
effort must remain isolated and use own

2886
02:26:46,010 --> 02:26:42,180
facilities and cleared personnel

2887
02:26:51,349 --> 02:26:46,020
tough environment to work about 400 to

2888
02:26:54,950 --> 02:26:51,359
800 bigot list count workers varying in

2889
02:26:57,770 --> 02:26:54,960
number with funding or Personnel changes

2890
02:27:00,550 --> 02:26:57,780
and then he continues here Miller will

2891
02:27:04,550 --> 02:27:00,560
Miller questions that were asked Roswell

2892
02:27:07,490 --> 02:27:04,560
craft embodies and autopsies

2893
02:27:10,490 --> 02:27:07,500
Holloman Air Force Base right the The

2894
02:27:13,990 --> 02:27:10,500
Landing that happened out there the uh

2895
02:27:16,610 --> 02:27:14,000
the alleged film that has uh been seen

2896
02:27:21,469 --> 02:27:16,620
uh of the Holloman Air Force Base

2897
02:27:23,750 --> 02:27:21,479
landing and and of course E.T uh uh that

2898
02:27:26,270 --> 02:27:23,760
that stepped off of The Craft I've done

2899
02:27:28,610 --> 02:27:26,280
shows on this and I've spoken to people

2900
02:27:31,969 --> 02:27:28,620
that have seen that footage and you can

2901
02:27:33,490 --> 02:27:31,979
refer back uh to previous episodes of

2902
02:27:37,070 --> 02:27:33,500
Fade to Black

2903
02:27:38,630 --> 02:27:37,080
mj-12 and leaked documents

2904
02:27:41,650 --> 02:27:38,640
and then

2905
02:27:46,490 --> 02:27:41,660
these two cases

2906
02:27:47,650 --> 02:27:46,500
Zamora Socorro New Mexico and bent

2907
02:27:53,090 --> 02:27:47,660
Waters

2908
02:27:58,429 --> 02:27:53,100
rendlesham now they say Etc right but

2909
02:28:01,550 --> 02:27:58,439
Zamora sakaro New Mexico famous case

2910
02:28:04,610 --> 02:28:01,560
Benton Waters why would it come up in

2911
02:28:09,130 --> 02:28:06,230
think about that

2912
02:28:12,230 --> 02:28:09,140
they were mum

2913
02:28:13,550 --> 02:28:12,240
declined to discuss these you know where

2914
02:28:15,290 --> 02:28:13,560
did the craft come from what are we

2915
02:28:18,170 --> 02:28:15,300
talking about here

2916
02:28:20,929 --> 02:28:18,180
right is it Rental shim is it is it is

2917
02:28:24,530 --> 02:28:20,939
it Lonnie Zamora

2918
02:28:26,270 --> 02:28:24,540
they were mum they declined to discuss

2919
02:28:28,550 --> 02:28:26,280
these

2920
02:28:31,250 --> 02:28:28,560
Thomas Wilson says they threatened to go

2921
02:28:35,450 --> 02:28:31,260
to the sapok to complain gain access to

2922
02:28:38,990 --> 02:28:35,460
their program they said but whatever go

2923
02:28:39,000 --> 02:28:43,429
you're not gonna find

2924
02:28:47,570 --> 02:28:45,710
Out secret nobody knows what we're doing

2925
02:28:49,969 --> 02:28:47,580
here and we've just told you too much

2926
02:28:52,610 --> 02:28:49,979
and you can go and complain all that you

2927
02:28:55,969 --> 02:28:52,620
want you can be pissed off it's not

2928
02:28:58,309 --> 02:28:55,979
going to change things we don't care you

2929
02:29:02,990 --> 02:28:58,319
you can do what you want that's a pretty

2930
02:29:06,349 --> 02:29:03,000
bold thing for a government contractor

2931
02:29:07,730 --> 02:29:06,359
an aerospace company to say to the

2932
02:29:10,010 --> 02:29:07,740
deputy director of the defense

2933
02:29:12,469 --> 02:29:10,020
intelligence agency you've got no fear

2934
02:29:15,770 --> 02:29:12,479
you don't care you literally tell them

2935
02:29:18,650 --> 02:29:15,780
ah go f yourself it doesn't matter just

2936
02:29:21,469 --> 02:29:18,660
just go just go I we don't care who you

2937
02:29:25,190 --> 02:29:21,479
talk to president doesn't know nobody

2938
02:29:27,650 --> 02:29:25,200
knows we're doing our own thing here

2939
02:29:32,690 --> 02:29:27,660
so Thomas Wilson says

2940
02:29:35,389 --> 02:29:32,700
I was angry because they defied my

2941
02:29:39,110 --> 02:29:35,399
authority they defied my authority to be

2942
02:29:43,010 --> 02:29:39,120
read in with good logical reason they

2943
02:29:48,889 --> 02:29:45,770
so Thomas Wilson in conclusion of of

2944
02:29:50,750 --> 02:29:48,899
this part of his interaction with again

2945
02:29:55,370 --> 02:29:50,760
I'm guessing here Lockheed Skunk Works

2946
02:30:01,670 --> 02:29:59,389
was very testy and terse throughout the

2947
02:30:04,130 --> 02:30:01,680
conversation say whatever you want man

2948
02:30:05,870 --> 02:30:04,140
whatever okay cool yeah it's aliens it's

2949
02:30:09,230 --> 02:30:05,880
UFOs you don't like it doesn't matter

2950
02:30:11,150 --> 02:30:09,240
you can go and check on us we don't care

2951
02:30:12,530 --> 02:30:11,160
we brought you here as a courtesy you

2952
02:30:13,969 --> 02:30:12,540
wanted to come here you wanted you

2953
02:30:16,250 --> 02:30:13,979
wanted the tour we're sitting here

2954
02:30:18,650 --> 02:30:16,260
talking to you okay all right you don't

2955
02:30:20,270 --> 02:30:18,660
like it not our problem and there's

2956
02:30:22,730 --> 02:30:20,280
nothing you can do about it so you can

2957
02:30:24,110 --> 02:30:22,740
fly back to Washington DC

2958
02:30:27,830 --> 02:30:24,120
right

2959
02:30:30,110 --> 02:30:27,840
that's what they said and

2960
02:30:32,030 --> 02:30:30,120
that's what he did

2961
02:30:33,110 --> 02:30:32,040
because Eric Davis says what was the

2962
02:30:38,929 --> 02:30:33,120
outcome

2963
02:30:44,450 --> 02:30:41,870
I flew back to Washington D.C

2964
02:30:47,210 --> 02:30:44,460
hahaha

2965
02:30:49,490 --> 02:30:47,220
it's amazing to me and there's more

2966
02:30:52,670 --> 02:30:49,500
because what comes up next

2967
02:30:55,010 --> 02:30:52,680
well we got Colonel Corso

2968
02:30:57,050 --> 02:30:55,020
this is Fade to Black and there's more

2969
02:30:59,030 --> 02:30:57,060
this is faded black I'm Yours Jimmy

2970
02:31:02,150 --> 02:30:59,040
church tonight our two and a half hour

2971
02:31:05,809 --> 02:31:02,160
Deep dive in the Wilson Davis dock we

2972
02:31:08,090 --> 02:31:05,819
have uh a huge week a bombshell week

2973
02:31:09,950 --> 02:31:08,100
Grand Cameron last night we're going

2974
02:31:12,530 --> 02:31:09,960
through this tonight tomorrow night

2975
02:31:13,910 --> 02:31:12,540
Richard Dolan Thursday night is fader

2976
02:31:15,770 --> 02:31:13,920
night with your phone calls I'm your

2977
02:31:17,809 --> 02:31:15,780
host Jimmy Church

2978
02:31:22,280 --> 02:31:17,819
one more segment left I'll be right back

2979
02:31:34,310 --> 02:31:33,020
[Music]

2980
02:31:42,349 --> 02:31:34,320
[Applause]

2981
02:31:52,030 --> 02:31:44,750
you're listening to Chevy church and

2982
02:32:00,250 --> 02:31:55,070
Fox here and you are listening to my boy

2983
02:32:02,870 --> 02:32:00,260
Jimmy Church on jimmychurch radio.com

2984
02:32:10,670 --> 02:32:02,880
despite popular opinion

2985
02:32:16,070 --> 02:32:12,770
hello fader Knights Jimmy church here

2986
02:32:18,410 --> 02:32:16,080
you've seen me with my thunderstorm now

2987
02:32:20,630 --> 02:32:18,420
you can purify the air in your home and

2988
02:32:22,910 --> 02:32:20,640
get healthy clean fresh smelling air and

2989
02:32:24,830 --> 02:32:22,920
eliminate odors just like I do right

2990
02:32:27,530 --> 02:32:24,840
here in the bunker the Eden Pier

2991
02:32:29,870 --> 02:32:27,540
thunderstorm uses oxy technology that

2992
02:32:32,270 --> 02:32:29,880
naturally sends out O3 molecules into

2993
02:32:34,429 --> 02:32:32,280
the air which seek out odors and air

2994
02:32:36,830 --> 02:32:34,439
pollutants in your home and destroys

2995
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hour deep dive into the Wilson Davis

3080
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documents why is this

3081
02:36:44,090 --> 02:36:41,280
bombshell week what's going on the

3082
02:36:46,730 --> 02:36:44,100
Wilson Davis documents surfaced uh three

3083
02:36:49,010 --> 02:36:46,740
years ago Edgar Mitchell uh passed away

3084
02:36:52,490 --> 02:36:49,020
and this was part of his estate and it

3085
02:36:55,010 --> 02:36:52,500
was uh leaked out uh Grant Cameron uh

3086
02:36:57,590 --> 02:36:55,020
got a hold of it uh I got a copy of it

3087
02:36:59,929 --> 02:36:57,600
uh Richard Dolan got a copy of it I went

3088
02:37:02,929 --> 02:36:59,939
uh public with it that week on Fade to

3089
02:37:05,929 --> 02:37:02,939
Black and also Coast to Coast AM and uh

3090
02:37:09,290 --> 02:37:05,939
Richard uh Dolan uh went public with it

3091
02:37:11,630 --> 02:37:09,300
uh through uh his his website and

3092
02:37:13,550 --> 02:37:11,640
presentations and did videos on it he

3093
02:37:16,070 --> 02:37:13,560
was a guest on faded black but also that

3094
02:37:18,469 --> 02:37:16,080
this document a couple of pages of it uh

3095
02:37:20,389 --> 02:37:18,479
Rich Dolan had talked about it uh in

3096
02:37:22,550 --> 02:37:20,399
years prior on Fade to Black and he had

3097
02:37:24,590 --> 02:37:22,560
been in possession of those two pages

3098
02:37:27,410 --> 02:37:24,600
for about 10 years

3099
02:37:30,469 --> 02:37:27,420
um now all of this uh has been out for

3100
02:37:33,410 --> 02:37:30,479
about three years uh Richard Dolan has

3101
02:37:36,950 --> 02:37:33,420
stated that uh this is probably the most

3102
02:37:38,870 --> 02:37:36,960
important UFO document in uh of the

3103
02:37:42,710 --> 02:37:38,880
century it was a bold claim but rich

3104
02:37:45,889 --> 02:37:42,720
your new things and uh and he had spoken

3105
02:37:48,110 --> 02:37:45,899
to uh some of the players that uh are

3106
02:37:50,870 --> 02:37:48,120
mentioned in this document and there

3107
02:37:53,750 --> 02:37:50,880
there was confirmation that yes the

3108
02:37:58,010 --> 02:37:53,760
document was indeed real and uh was

3109
02:37:59,750 --> 02:37:58,020
distributed uh back in 2002. now here's

3110
02:38:04,610 --> 02:37:59,760
the thing

3111
02:38:06,710 --> 02:38:04,620
Oak Shannon uh it's the only person that

3112
02:38:10,010 --> 02:38:06,720
sort of went on the record was Admiral

3113
02:38:12,650 --> 02:38:10,020
Wilson uh three years ago and he denied

3114
02:38:15,910 --> 02:38:12,660
everything about this but he said in the

3115
02:38:18,650 --> 02:38:15,920
in this conversation uh in this document

3116
02:38:20,330 --> 02:38:18,660
uh that he would deny if it ever went

3117
02:38:22,130 --> 02:38:20,340
public he would deny everything well

3118
02:38:24,530 --> 02:38:22,140
that's what he has done

3119
02:38:27,530 --> 02:38:24,540
um I'm not so sure that that is possible

3120
02:38:29,809 --> 02:38:27,540
anymore after Oak Shannon's statements

3121
02:38:34,969 --> 02:38:29,819
in his interview this week on another

3122
02:38:37,130 --> 02:38:34,979
program and uh the notes from the

3123
02:38:40,010 --> 02:38:37,140
working group of Oak Shannon and Jack

3124
02:38:41,270 --> 02:38:40,020
Houck that Grant Cameron and Melinda

3125
02:38:43,370 --> 02:38:41,280
Leslie

3126
02:38:45,290 --> 02:38:43,380
um have brought forward

3127
02:38:46,910 --> 02:38:45,300
um also this week there's lots of

3128
02:38:48,910 --> 02:38:46,920
presentations on other shows tonight

3129
02:38:52,309 --> 02:38:48,920
spaced out radio is doing

3130
02:38:53,929 --> 02:38:52,319
uh a show on this uh Dave Scott and

3131
02:38:56,330 --> 02:38:53,939
Grand Cameron are doing that tonight

3132
02:38:58,130 --> 02:38:56,340
Grant Cameron and Melinda Leslie and

3133
02:39:00,830 --> 02:38:58,140
Nicole sakich earlier today did a

3134
02:39:03,770 --> 02:39:00,840
presentation about this grant Cameron

3135
02:39:05,750 --> 02:39:03,780
was on the show last night about this uh

3136
02:39:09,349 --> 02:39:05,760
tomorrow night Richard Dolan will be

3137
02:39:12,110 --> 02:39:09,359
back with us to cover the document and

3138
02:39:14,510 --> 02:39:12,120
and the notes and and its significance

3139
02:39:16,910 --> 02:39:14,520
uh Richard's research on this is

3140
02:39:21,050 --> 02:39:16,920
unparalleled he is the best

3141
02:39:25,730 --> 02:39:21,060
um and I will once again say that this

3142
02:39:31,969 --> 02:39:25,740
is the UFO community at its best

3143
02:39:34,969 --> 02:39:31,979
this is what we do okay and this is none

3144
02:39:38,330 --> 02:39:34,979
of these Revelations are a part of

3145
02:39:40,429 --> 02:39:38,340
Washington DC right there is nothing

3146
02:39:41,990 --> 02:39:40,439
that is happening what is going on there

3147
02:39:44,230 --> 02:39:42,000
great

3148
02:39:50,570 --> 02:39:44,240
but this is

3149
02:39:52,490 --> 02:39:50,580
huge and the road map is now given uh to

3150
02:39:54,410 --> 02:39:52,500
the Senate intelligence committee the

3151
02:39:57,170 --> 02:39:54,420
house subcommittee

3152
02:39:59,630 --> 02:39:57,180
um everything is is there for them now

3153
02:40:03,410 --> 02:39:59,640
now they know who to bring forward as

3154
02:40:08,210 --> 02:40:03,420
Witnesses and this is all because of the

3155
02:40:12,770 --> 02:40:08,220
UFO Community ufology I love it

3156
02:40:15,410 --> 02:40:12,780
let's continue because on page 13 where

3157
02:40:19,250 --> 02:40:15,420
we left off

3158
02:40:21,650 --> 02:40:19,260
um Edgar uh Edgar Edgar Mitchell

3159
02:40:24,349 --> 02:40:21,660
Eric Davis says

3160
02:40:26,690 --> 02:40:24,359
what about Corso

3161
02:40:29,809 --> 02:40:26,700
now here we go right the day after

3162
02:40:33,349 --> 02:40:29,819
Roswell the book

3163
02:40:34,790 --> 02:40:33,359
um some say science fiction right uh

3164
02:40:38,809 --> 02:40:34,800
some say it's real

3165
02:40:42,349 --> 02:40:38,819
it's a pretty amazing book I think Bill

3166
02:40:44,510 --> 02:40:42,359
Burns wrote it uh he was the author on

3167
02:40:46,969 --> 02:40:44,520
behalf of Corso with Corso contributing

3168
02:40:49,550 --> 02:40:46,979
but let's just call it the Corso book uh

3169
02:40:52,550 --> 02:40:49,560
the day after Roswell

3170
02:40:54,770 --> 02:40:52,560
um so Colonel Corso interesting figure

3171
02:40:56,630 --> 02:40:54,780
here but now how does he play into this

3172
02:40:58,090 --> 02:40:56,640
with all of these other Revelations that

3173
02:41:01,910 --> 02:40:58,100
are going on

3174
02:41:04,670 --> 02:41:01,920
was the book factual

3175
02:41:08,030 --> 02:41:04,680
so Eric David says what about corso and

3176
02:41:10,550 --> 02:41:08,040
and Thomas Wilson says Greer talked

3177
02:41:12,950 --> 02:41:10,560
about Corso on April 9th and I'm

3178
02:41:14,750 --> 02:41:12,960
assuming that's the meeting at the

3179
02:41:16,690 --> 02:41:14,760
Pentagon the presentation that Greer

3180
02:41:19,670 --> 02:41:16,700
gave at the Pentagon

3181
02:41:22,130 --> 02:41:19,680
Miller showed me the book during the

3182
02:41:24,830 --> 02:41:22,140
two-hour private conversation I didn't

3183
02:41:28,670 --> 02:41:24,840
have time to read it through I didn't

3184
02:41:30,650 --> 02:41:28,680
buy a copy didn't bring up Corso at the

3185
02:41:34,330 --> 02:41:30,660
meeting he's talking about it again I'm

3186
02:41:39,349 --> 02:41:34,340
guessing Lockheed Skunk Works but

3187
02:41:41,630 --> 02:41:39,359
comparing the Corso story to what I

3188
02:41:44,570 --> 02:41:41,640
learned at the meeting is more than

3189
02:41:49,309 --> 02:41:44,580
enough to believe that Corso told the

3190
02:41:51,170 --> 02:41:49,319
truth about seeing alien Hardware

3191
02:41:55,070 --> 02:41:51,180
Etc

3192
02:42:00,230 --> 02:41:57,710
Eric Davis says well did you complain

3193
02:42:02,630 --> 02:42:00,240
did you go back to Washington D.C did

3194
02:42:04,849 --> 02:42:02,640
you complain to sapoc

3195
02:42:07,790 --> 02:42:04,859
Thomas Wilson says yes

3196
02:42:10,250 --> 02:42:07,800
I call the subgroup members senior

3197
02:42:13,370 --> 02:42:10,260
review group members to a meeting at the

3198
02:42:15,349 --> 02:42:13,380
Pentagon and I told them what happened

3199
02:42:18,010 --> 02:42:15,359
at the meeting

3200
02:42:21,490 --> 02:42:18,020
let's go to page 14.

3201
02:42:25,370 --> 02:42:21,500
they responded that they would sustain

3202
02:42:27,770 --> 02:42:25,380
the contractor on their access denial

3203
02:42:30,170 --> 02:42:27,780
so I ended up arguing with them for a

3204
02:42:32,630 --> 02:42:30,180
while it broke up in 20 minutes and they

3205
02:42:35,630 --> 02:42:32,640
they said that they would meet me in two

3206
02:42:38,270 --> 02:42:35,640
to three days I got a call two days

3207
02:42:42,950 --> 02:42:38,280
later near the end of June and met again

3208
02:42:46,389 --> 02:42:42,960
with senior review group members when

3209
02:42:49,309 --> 02:42:46,399
before the last week of June of

3210
02:42:52,309 --> 02:42:49,319
1997. they told me

3211
02:42:54,290 --> 02:42:52,319
Tom Wilson speaking that they were

3212
02:42:57,590 --> 02:42:54,300
sustaining the contractor

3213
02:42:59,090 --> 02:42:57,600
that I was to immediately drop the

3214
02:43:02,870 --> 02:42:59,100
matter

3215
02:43:11,510 --> 02:43:03,830
what

3216
02:43:14,210 --> 02:43:11,520
we have the deputy director of the

3217
02:43:15,650 --> 02:43:14,220
defense intelligence agency is told by

3218
02:43:17,330 --> 02:43:15,660
the Pentagon

3219
02:43:19,790 --> 02:43:17,340
forget about it

3220
02:43:21,349 --> 02:43:19,800
Let It Go

3221
02:43:23,389 --> 02:43:21,359
literally

3222
02:43:26,210 --> 02:43:23,399
forget about it

3223
02:43:29,510 --> 02:43:26,220
it's right here here let me show you

3224
02:43:31,610 --> 02:43:29,520
forget about it as I did not have

3225
02:43:34,670 --> 02:43:31,620
purview over their project it didn't

3226
02:43:38,389 --> 02:43:34,680
fall within my oversight Etc

3227
02:43:39,889 --> 02:43:38,399
Thomas Wilson says I became very angry I

3228
02:43:42,050 --> 02:43:39,899
started yelling

3229
02:43:47,630 --> 02:43:42,060
when

3230
02:43:54,469 --> 02:43:49,969
Eric Davis says Miller and Greer said

3231
02:43:56,450 --> 02:43:54,479
you nearly got busted Thomas Wilson says

3232
02:43:59,510 --> 02:43:56,460
close to it

3233
02:44:02,450 --> 02:43:59,520
told Miller Senior review group chairman

3234
02:44:06,349 --> 02:44:02,460
said that if I didn't follow their

3235
02:44:09,290 --> 02:44:06,359
suggestion that I would not see director

3236
02:44:12,770 --> 02:44:09,300
of the DIA promotion

3237
02:44:17,030 --> 02:44:12,780
uh I would get early retirement I would

3238
02:44:20,210 --> 02:44:17,040
lose one or two stars along the way

3239
02:44:22,730 --> 02:44:20,220
really incredibly angry upset over this

3240
02:44:25,010 --> 02:44:22,740
I was livid

3241
02:44:27,590 --> 02:44:25,020
why such a big deal over this

3242
02:44:30,710 --> 02:44:27,600
considering the position of trust I have

3243
02:44:33,530 --> 02:44:30,720
in the Pentagon I do have relevant

3244
02:44:37,610 --> 02:44:33,540
regulatory statutory authority over

3245
02:44:40,010 --> 02:44:37,620
their program that's my position

3246
02:44:42,950 --> 02:44:40,020
this is what Thomas Wilson said

3247
02:44:46,670 --> 02:44:42,960
Eric Davis says is it because funding

3248
02:44:50,570 --> 02:44:46,680
comes from you or through you or the

3249
02:44:53,210 --> 02:44:50,580
director of the DIA Thomas Wilson says

3250
02:44:56,630 --> 02:44:53,220
core secret I can't answer

3251
02:45:00,349 --> 02:44:56,640
Eric Davis says back to the bigot list

3252
02:45:02,950 --> 02:45:00,359
can you describe the type of people

3253
02:45:05,450 --> 02:45:02,960
Thomas Wilson says corporate types

3254
02:45:08,690 --> 02:45:05,460
scientists and technicians Engineers

3255
02:45:10,610 --> 02:45:08,700
scientists managers Etc Eric Davis any

3256
02:45:12,050 --> 02:45:10,620
military organizations that you

3257
02:45:14,330 --> 02:45:12,060
recognize

3258
02:45:16,070 --> 02:45:14,340
Thomas Wilson says None

3259
02:45:18,830 --> 02:45:16,080
now think about that

3260
02:45:21,110 --> 02:45:18,840
your backwards engineering alien and ET

3261
02:45:25,070 --> 02:45:21,120
craft and Technology

3262
02:45:30,230 --> 02:45:25,080
and the people involved in that

3263
02:45:36,230 --> 02:45:33,410
Freedom of Information Act

3264
02:45:37,849 --> 02:45:36,240
think about that for a second now uh I

3265
02:45:41,809 --> 02:45:37,859
know that John Greenwald has mentioned

3266
02:45:44,210 --> 02:45:41,819
this many times but it applies here

3267
02:45:46,250 --> 02:45:44,220
so you do a Freedom of Information Act

3268
02:45:50,090 --> 02:45:46,260
request and you're looking right at

3269
02:45:53,450 --> 02:45:50,100
government records reports you have uh

3270
02:45:56,570 --> 02:45:53,460
uh document numbers you have program

3271
02:45:59,210 --> 02:45:56,580
names and when you go into these

3272
02:46:00,710 --> 02:45:59,220
requests it's a dead end there is no

3273
02:46:01,910 --> 02:46:00,720
information because it goes into the

3274
02:46:05,270 --> 02:46:01,920
private sector

3275
02:46:07,849 --> 02:46:05,280
it's a special Access program uh by

3276
02:46:10,190 --> 02:46:07,859
number only nobody knows what's going on

3277
02:46:14,090 --> 02:46:10,200
and certainly there's not going to be

3278
02:46:15,710 --> 02:46:14,100
any UFO alien references uh that are

3279
02:46:18,889 --> 02:46:15,720
going to come back to that because it is

3280
02:46:20,750 --> 02:46:18,899
in the private sector

3281
02:46:23,389 --> 02:46:20,760
right so you're not going to have any

3282
02:46:26,150 --> 02:46:23,399
military personnel there none you're not

3283
02:46:27,650 --> 02:46:26,160
going to have uh the Army the Navy the

3284
02:46:29,150 --> 02:46:27,660
Air Force the Marines you're not going

3285
02:46:32,809 --> 02:46:29,160
to have anybody involved in that project

3286
02:46:36,230 --> 02:46:32,819
that's how you keep it separated and you

3287
02:46:38,929 --> 02:46:36,240
keep it completely top secret

3288
02:46:42,050 --> 02:46:38,939
because Thomas Wilson says None just

3289
02:46:45,710 --> 02:46:42,060
owes that people and two sapoc one other

3290
02:46:49,429 --> 02:46:45,720
Pentagon office in December 97 Paul was

3291
02:46:52,550 --> 02:46:49,439
out at used at left government so it was

3292
02:46:55,370 --> 02:46:52,560
Mike K who replaced

3293
02:46:57,710 --> 02:46:55,380
uh Mike K was replaced too

3294
02:47:01,070 --> 02:46:57,720
so by whom

3295
02:47:04,010 --> 02:47:01,080
here we go naming names Thomas Wilson

3296
02:47:05,870 --> 02:47:04,020
says Jacques ganzler now we're going to

3297
02:47:08,570 --> 02:47:05,880
talk about gamsler just a minute on the

3298
02:47:11,090 --> 02:47:08,580
last page of this document Jack ganzler

3299
02:47:14,389 --> 02:47:11,100
was new used at started in December of

3300
02:47:19,309 --> 02:47:14,399
97. Mike K was replaced by Brigadier

3301
02:47:22,250 --> 02:47:19,319
General M Ward from the Air Force

3302
02:47:24,110 --> 02:47:22,260
Eric Davis says where Paul K and Mike K

3303
02:47:26,570 --> 02:47:24,120
and Jacques gansler and general award

3304
02:47:28,910 --> 02:47:26,580
the ones on the bigot list you

3305
02:47:34,190 --> 02:47:28,920
recognized

3306
02:47:41,210 --> 02:47:36,650
won't answer that

3307
02:47:43,990 --> 02:47:41,220
Thomas Wilson says can't say won't say

3308
02:47:46,910 --> 02:47:44,000
Thomas Wilson says I talked to gansler

3309
02:47:49,610 --> 02:47:46,920
in January of 98. remember he's talking

3310
02:47:53,450 --> 02:47:49,620
about November December of 97. it's just

3311
02:47:55,370 --> 02:47:53,460
a month later January 98 about my June

3312
02:47:59,570 --> 02:47:55,380
97 meetings

3313
02:48:02,469 --> 02:47:59,580
he was briefed by someone

3314
02:48:07,550 --> 02:48:02,479
about the Lockheed Martin meetings right

3315
02:48:10,190 --> 02:48:07,560
and Thomas Wilson says surprised me

3316
02:48:13,790 --> 02:48:10,200
Eric Davis says what did he say

3317
02:48:16,969 --> 02:48:13,800
all right here we go

3318
02:48:20,469 --> 02:48:16,979
this is probably in this document so

3319
02:48:22,790 --> 02:48:20,479
much important information I mean big

3320
02:48:25,250 --> 02:48:22,800
revealing things

3321
02:48:28,090 --> 02:48:25,260
but I keep coming back to this one line

3322
02:48:32,330 --> 02:48:28,100
on page 15.

3323
02:48:38,710 --> 02:48:32,340
uh Eric Davis says what did he say and

3324
02:48:42,250 --> 02:48:38,720
Thomas Wilson says quote UFOs are real

3325
02:48:44,690 --> 02:48:42,260
so-called alien abductions

3326
02:48:46,790 --> 02:48:44,700
not real

3327
02:48:49,730 --> 02:48:46,800
gansler

3328
02:48:52,690 --> 02:48:51,349
now we have to kind of just stop right

3329
02:48:56,090 --> 02:48:52,700
there right we got to stop and pause

3330
02:48:59,450 --> 02:48:56,100
what's going on okay so UFOs are real

3331
02:49:01,670 --> 02:48:59,460
aliens are real uh the research and

3332
02:49:03,770 --> 02:49:01,680
development the the craft recovery we've

3333
02:49:06,230 --> 02:49:03,780
got a flying saucer

3334
02:49:10,550 --> 02:49:06,240
um that that is being uh investigated

3335
02:49:13,370 --> 02:49:10,560
that uh Lockheed Martin believes can fly

3336
02:49:15,830 --> 02:49:13,380
but the research into this is slow it's

3337
02:49:17,270 --> 02:49:15,840
painful it's not easy they can't get it

3338
02:49:21,410 --> 02:49:17,280
to fly but they've got it in their

3339
02:49:26,450 --> 02:49:21,420
possession UFOs are real

3340
02:49:30,110 --> 02:49:26,460
but alien abductions are not real

3341
02:49:34,610 --> 02:49:30,120
now is this disinformation

3342
02:49:37,610 --> 02:49:34,620
is this gansler I I don't know

3343
02:49:40,130 --> 02:49:37,620
the abduction side of things and if we

3344
02:49:44,630 --> 02:49:40,140
go back to Oak Shannon's notes and Jack

3345
02:49:47,389 --> 02:49:44,640
houck's notes from the 1985 ATP working

3346
02:49:50,090 --> 02:49:47,399
group meeting abductions were a part of

3347
02:49:53,590 --> 02:49:50,100
that that two-day discussion

3348
02:49:56,809 --> 02:49:53,600
um abductions were discussed many times

3349
02:49:59,590 --> 02:49:56,819
throughout that two-day meeting

3350
02:50:03,230 --> 02:49:59,600
um what what is actually going on here

3351
02:50:07,010 --> 02:50:03,240
now when we uh I read so many books

3352
02:50:09,110 --> 02:50:07,020
about uh different research uh not from

3353
02:50:11,809 --> 02:50:09,120
the UFO Community from physicists and

3354
02:50:14,210 --> 02:50:11,819
from scientists and and that talk about

3355
02:50:16,070 --> 02:50:14,220
uh the alien phenomena

3356
02:50:17,750 --> 02:50:16,080
you know the Drake equation and the

3357
02:50:21,590 --> 02:50:17,760
Fermi Paradox and one of the things that

3358
02:50:24,170 --> 02:50:21,600
they always come back around to is alien

3359
02:50:27,469 --> 02:50:24,180
abductions because

3360
02:50:29,690 --> 02:50:27,479
we kind of have two issues here that

3361
02:50:31,570 --> 02:50:29,700
also goes back to any Witnesses and

3362
02:50:34,790 --> 02:50:31,580
professional Witnesses in the military

3363
02:50:39,710 --> 02:50:34,800
that we've got two things to consider

3364
02:50:43,309 --> 02:50:39,720
either we've got a mass psychosis and

3365
02:50:45,290 --> 02:50:43,319
mental illness with millions of people

3366
02:50:46,610 --> 02:50:45,300
or that alien abductions are really

3367
02:50:48,410 --> 02:50:46,620
happening

3368
02:50:50,210 --> 02:50:48,420
but there isn't a gray area in the

3369
02:50:52,670 --> 02:50:50,220
middle there isn't any other way to look

3370
02:50:56,630 --> 02:50:52,680
at this so what are we dealing with here

3371
02:51:00,349 --> 02:50:56,640
right and um and so when we look at uh

3372
02:51:01,730 --> 02:51:00,359
Oak Shannon's notes and uh Jack house

3373
02:51:04,550 --> 02:51:01,740
note

3374
02:51:07,250 --> 02:51:04,560
the concern about alien abductions and

3375
02:51:10,130 --> 02:51:07,260
specific cases that uh are referenced

3376
02:51:12,349 --> 02:51:10,140
there in those notes that there is a

3377
02:51:13,790 --> 02:51:12,359
conversation going on with alien

3378
02:51:16,730 --> 02:51:13,800
abductions and they've talked about

3379
02:51:19,610 --> 02:51:16,740
cattle mutilations too as well so what

3380
02:51:22,429 --> 02:51:19,620
what is this and for gansler to come out

3381
02:51:26,450 --> 02:51:22,439
and say UFOs are real but so-called

3382
02:51:29,690 --> 02:51:26,460
alien abductions are not

3383
02:51:31,849 --> 02:51:29,700
Eric Davis says well what else

3384
02:51:34,730 --> 02:51:31,859
and Thomas Wilson says I was told to

3385
02:51:37,849 --> 02:51:34,740
drop the matter there was no more

3386
02:51:40,790 --> 02:51:37,859
discussion about it that's it gansler

3387
02:51:42,050 --> 02:51:40,800
says UFOs are real alien abductions are

3388
02:51:44,990 --> 02:51:42,060
not real

3389
02:51:47,270 --> 02:51:45,000
and that's it the conversation is over

3390
02:51:48,770 --> 02:51:47,280
Thomas Wilson says I was told to drop

3391
02:51:51,469 --> 02:51:48,780
the matter there was no more discussion

3392
02:51:54,830 --> 02:51:51,479
about it Eric Davis says willing to talk

3393
02:51:56,150 --> 02:51:54,840
to Hal put off and kit green it's like

3394
02:51:59,030 --> 02:51:56,160
here we go

3395
02:52:02,150 --> 02:51:59,040
right discuss who they are in remote

3396
02:52:04,670 --> 02:52:02,160
viewing program history Thomas Wilson is

3397
02:52:07,630 --> 02:52:04,680
not familiar with their names heard

3398
02:52:11,990 --> 02:52:07,640
about the remote viewing program in 1990

3399
02:52:13,250 --> 02:52:12,000
maybe maybe not for Hal in interested in

3400
02:52:16,190 --> 02:52:13,260
talking to him

3401
02:52:19,790 --> 02:52:16,200
he said that he would think about it no

3402
02:52:23,150 --> 02:52:19,800
response to Kit green

3403
02:52:25,070 --> 02:52:23,160
now if we stop here I'm going to talk to

3404
02:52:28,070 --> 02:52:25,080
uh Dolan about this tomorrow night kit

3405
02:52:30,429 --> 02:52:28,080
green and his association with the CIA

3406
02:52:33,530 --> 02:52:30,439
right okay so

3407
02:52:36,650 --> 02:52:33,540
uh for

3408
02:52:38,389 --> 02:52:36,660
um Admiral Wilson who is you know deputy

3409
02:52:41,090 --> 02:52:38,399
director of the defense intelligence

3410
02:52:42,710 --> 02:52:41,100
agency an intent an intelligence agent

3411
02:52:45,469 --> 02:52:42,720
to say that he has never heard of kick

3412
02:52:47,150 --> 02:52:45,479
green nah I'm not really buying into

3413
02:52:49,429 --> 02:52:47,160
that and especially if you're diving

3414
02:52:51,650 --> 02:52:49,439
into this subject

3415
02:52:53,330 --> 02:52:51,660
um but I think he also wanted to keep

3416
02:52:56,870 --> 02:52:53,340
the two separate that's that's my

3417
02:53:00,950 --> 02:52:56,880
opinion but I think that he should

3418
02:53:03,250 --> 02:53:00,960
absolutely know that kit green was a CIA

3419
02:53:07,070 --> 02:53:03,260
um so anyway no response to kick green

3420
02:53:11,389 --> 02:53:07,080
prefers to never and to prefers never to

3421
02:53:14,269 --> 02:53:11,399
talk to anyone about this again he

3422
02:53:17,510 --> 02:53:14,279
doesn't want to risk exposure better to

3423
02:53:18,769 --> 02:53:17,520
stop talking and cut it off here he's

3424
02:53:20,990 --> 02:53:18,779
talking about in the back of the car

3425
02:53:22,309 --> 02:53:21,000
okay that's it I'm done

3426
02:53:24,590 --> 02:53:22,319
I'm done

3427
02:53:25,550 --> 02:53:24,600
conversation is over this is in the back

3428
02:53:30,530 --> 02:53:25,560
of the car

3429
02:53:32,690 --> 02:53:30,540
and uh Tom Wilson then turns to Eric

3430
02:53:35,450 --> 02:53:32,700
Davis and he says

3431
02:53:38,210 --> 02:53:35,460
what are you going to do with this

3432
02:53:40,370 --> 02:53:38,220
conversation everything that we just

3433
02:53:43,429 --> 02:53:40,380
talked about right now in the car

3434
02:53:47,090 --> 02:53:43,439
and Eric Davis says that he told Thomas

3435
02:53:50,389 --> 02:53:47,100
Wilson I'm going to keep for private

3436
02:53:53,030 --> 02:53:50,399
personal research data collection to

3437
02:53:57,170 --> 02:53:53,040
track down the story and ascertain

3438
02:53:59,990 --> 02:53:57,180
signal noise in media and from

3439
02:54:02,030 --> 02:54:00,000
government sources

3440
02:54:03,769 --> 02:54:02,040
Eric says I'm going to keep my mouth

3441
02:54:06,250 --> 02:54:03,779
shut

3442
02:54:07,809 --> 02:54:06,260
he told Wilson about Mary Elizabeth

3443
02:54:10,550 --> 02:54:07,819
Elliott

3444
02:54:13,030 --> 02:54:10,560
TRW story

3445
02:54:15,170 --> 02:54:13,040
follow me on this

3446
02:54:21,070 --> 02:54:15,180
ingo's story

3447
02:54:23,510 --> 02:54:21,080
and the 1974 RV or woman who went to WPA

3448
02:54:26,750 --> 02:54:23,520
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base

3449
02:54:28,429 --> 02:54:26,760
trying to make connection

3450
02:54:31,250 --> 02:54:28,439
now we've talked about this many times

3451
02:54:34,910 --> 02:54:31,260
on the show I've talked I actually

3452
02:54:36,889 --> 02:54:34,920
um yeah I can say this uh I I talked to

3453
02:54:40,429 --> 02:54:36,899
Jacques valet about this a couple of

3454
02:54:41,510 --> 02:54:40,439
weeks ago in private we were uh having

3455
02:54:45,590 --> 02:54:41,520
dinner

3456
02:54:47,630 --> 02:54:45,600
three four no no it's more like six

3457
02:54:52,610 --> 02:54:47,640
hours six hours I'm hanging out with

3458
02:54:54,650 --> 02:54:52,620
Jacques uh from about six o'clock in the

3459
02:54:58,070 --> 02:54:54,660
evening five o'clock six o'clock in the

3460
02:54:59,750 --> 02:54:58,080
evening until 11 11 30 that night it

3461
02:55:02,330 --> 02:54:59,760
spilled over into the lounge of the

3462
02:55:04,370 --> 02:55:02,340
hotel it was just the two of us uh and

3463
02:55:07,929 --> 02:55:04,380
another friend was there and uh Jacques

3464
02:55:14,030 --> 02:55:07,939
wife actually and I specifically

3465
02:55:17,750 --> 02:55:14,040
asked him about what happened with uh uh

3466
02:55:21,110 --> 02:55:17,760
the 1974 remote viewer who was you know

3467
02:55:23,150 --> 02:55:21,120
a part of Sri but she wasn't a remote

3468
02:55:25,849 --> 02:55:23,160
viewer but she had talent and then

3469
02:55:27,349 --> 02:55:25,859
suddenly she's remote viewing and she

3470
02:55:28,849 --> 02:55:27,359
went to write Patterson Air Force Base

3471
02:55:31,730 --> 02:55:28,859
and she was trying to make a connection

3472
02:55:34,849 --> 02:55:31,740
with uh E.T so I did talk to Jacques

3473
02:55:37,130 --> 02:55:34,859
about this and it's funny that this is

3474
02:55:39,230 --> 02:55:37,140
part of the conversation in the back of

3475
02:55:41,929 --> 02:55:39,240
the car and then

3476
02:55:45,769 --> 02:55:41,939
um Thomas Wilson replies

3477
02:55:48,950 --> 02:55:45,779
feedback Mary Elliott sounds like real

3478
02:55:51,710 --> 02:55:48,960
deal based on her info and behavior with

3479
02:55:54,769 --> 02:55:51,720
attorney Jeffrey W Griffith

3480
02:55:58,250 --> 02:55:54,779
probably will only come totally clean on

3481
02:56:01,730 --> 02:55:58,260
her deathbed 30 years from now

3482
02:56:05,030 --> 02:56:01,740
I don't know about Ingo he's not no

3483
02:56:07,130 --> 02:56:05,040
longer with us Axelrod or rver woman at

3484
02:56:11,750 --> 02:56:07,140
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base doesn't

3485
02:56:14,690 --> 02:56:11,760
have info on their story from sources

3486
02:56:17,630 --> 02:56:14,700
and then uh Thomas Wilson asked for

3487
02:56:19,010 --> 02:56:17,640
Corso material and Eric Davis says he

3488
02:56:23,210 --> 02:56:19,020
will send it to him

3489
02:56:26,450 --> 02:56:23,220
Eric Davis note Tom Wilson asked for a

3490
02:56:30,710 --> 02:56:26,460
briefing book on my work at Nasa in the

3491
02:56:34,190 --> 02:56:30,720
uh Air Force lab send other papers if I

3492
02:56:37,190 --> 02:56:34,200
want to give an office address in DC to

3493
02:56:41,690 --> 02:56:37,200
mail will retire to the Midwest and

3494
02:56:47,050 --> 02:56:44,090
so there you have it

3495
02:56:50,150 --> 02:56:47,060
that is the Thomas Wilson doc that is

3496
02:56:53,570 --> 02:56:50,160
every single page

3497
02:56:56,030 --> 02:56:53,580
right there every word of it uh you've

3498
02:56:58,190 --> 02:56:56,040
seen everything again

3499
02:57:01,670 --> 02:56:58,200
um in closing tonight

3500
02:57:05,210 --> 02:57:01,680
everything that is being revealed uh

3501
02:57:07,610 --> 02:57:05,220
over the weekend yesterday today and

3502
02:57:09,050 --> 02:57:07,620
tomorrow on the show when Richard Dolan

3503
02:57:11,269 --> 02:57:09,060
joins us

3504
02:57:15,530 --> 02:57:11,279
um all of this is because of the efforts

3505
02:57:18,469 --> 02:57:15,540
of Grant Cameron the revealing of this

3506
02:57:20,230 --> 02:57:18,479
document back in in and around January

3507
02:57:24,769 --> 02:57:20,240
of 2019

3508
02:57:26,570 --> 02:57:24,779
and uh of course at the time and Grant

3509
02:57:29,690 --> 02:57:26,580
explained this last night on the show

3510
02:57:33,349 --> 02:57:29,700
that when he was shown the first page of

3511
02:57:36,170 --> 02:57:33,359
this document and it said Oak Shannon he

3512
02:57:40,190 --> 02:57:36,180
had been given the notes

3513
02:57:45,710 --> 02:57:40,200
Oak Shannon's notes of the uh ATP

3514
02:57:47,510 --> 02:57:45,720
working group from 1985 by Eric Davis 20

3515
02:57:50,389 --> 02:57:47,520
years before

3516
02:57:53,870 --> 02:57:50,399
so at that moment Grant Cameron knew

3517
02:57:56,510 --> 02:57:53,880
that uh this was a historic

3518
02:57:58,610 --> 02:57:56,520
um this was probably legit now he's just

3519
02:58:01,730 --> 02:57:58,620
looking at the first page and I think he

3520
02:58:04,849 --> 02:58:01,740
said he was showing it on an iPad but he

3521
02:58:08,030 --> 02:58:04,859
knew Oak Shannon and he had oh Shannon's

3522
02:58:11,330 --> 02:58:08,040
notes at the same time as all of this is

3523
02:58:14,450 --> 02:58:11,340
starting to uh surface Melinda Leslie

3524
02:58:17,809 --> 02:58:14,460
says hey I got Jack house notes from the

3525
02:58:20,870 --> 02:58:17,819
very same meeting in 1985 they start

3526
02:58:23,929 --> 02:58:20,880
comparing and they see that yes indeed

3527
02:58:26,750 --> 02:58:23,939
that these were minutes and notes from

3528
02:58:28,010 --> 02:58:26,760
the same meeting in 1985. so we're

3529
02:58:30,710 --> 02:58:28,020
sitting on this over the last three

3530
02:58:33,110 --> 02:58:30,720
years and who is Oak Shannon what

3531
02:58:35,150 --> 02:58:33,120
happens four days ago Oak Shannon

3532
02:58:38,750 --> 02:58:35,160
surfaces

3533
02:58:42,290 --> 02:58:38,760
Oak Shannon in his comments about his

3534
02:58:45,650 --> 02:58:42,300
conversations with both and that he knew

3535
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Eric Davis and Admiral Wilson and they

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02:58:50,870 --> 02:58:47,939
had conversations with the both of them

3537
02:58:53,389 --> 02:58:50,880
about the both of them and that the two

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02:58:57,830 --> 02:58:53,399
of them should talk and that's exactly

3539
02:59:00,349 --> 02:58:57,840
what is spoken about in these notes from

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02:59:03,429 --> 02:59:00,359
a meeting in the back of a car behind

3541
02:59:07,429 --> 02:59:03,439
the egg building in Las Vegas Nevada

3542
02:59:10,510 --> 02:59:07,439
it's an extraordinary week all of this

3543
02:59:14,990 --> 02:59:10,520
because of the UFO community

3544
02:59:16,370 --> 02:59:15,000
extraordinary week bombshell week and uh

3545
02:59:18,290 --> 02:59:16,380
wow

3546
02:59:21,410 --> 02:59:18,300
I said yesterday it's like we're living

3547
02:59:24,590 --> 02:59:21,420
in a in a science fiction movie but it

3548
02:59:26,090 --> 02:59:24,600
it's like for real yesterday we had the

3549
02:59:30,530 --> 02:59:26,100
dart mission

3550
02:59:33,889 --> 02:59:30,540
succeed right NASA blasting into an

3551
02:59:36,050 --> 02:59:33,899
asteroid and everything else with uh the

3552
02:59:38,150 --> 02:59:36,060
UFO question being revealed right in

3553
02:59:41,210 --> 02:59:38,160
front of us in real time these are great

3554
02:59:43,190 --> 02:59:41,220
days I am your host Jimmy church this is

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02:59:45,950 --> 02:59:43,200
Fade to Black this is bombshell week

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02:59:49,250 --> 02:59:45,960
tomorrow night on this program Richard

3557
02:59:51,469 --> 02:59:49,260
Dolan will be with us not only are we

3558
02:59:54,550 --> 02:59:51,479
going to go over this but Richard's

3559
02:59:57,230 --> 02:59:54,560
Research into this the names the places

3560
03:00:00,889 --> 02:59:57,240
the notes that have been revealed and

3561
03:00:03,410 --> 03:00:00,899
the connections as only Richard Dolan

3562
03:00:05,150 --> 03:00:03,420
can do so that's tomorrow night I am

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your host Jimmy Church great night on

3564
03:00:09,769 --> 03:00:07,260
the show thank you for letting me go

3565
03:00:11,690 --> 03:00:09,779
solo and explain to everybody what is

3566
03:00:14,929 --> 03:00:11,700
going on

3567
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fate to Black is produced by

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Hilton J Palm Renee Dennis and Kevin

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03:00:23,269 --> 03:00:20,100
announcers are Steve harder Gene Vito

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03:00:25,490 --> 03:00:23,279
and Mark D kovar webmaster is Drew the

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03:00:27,769 --> 03:00:25,500
geek music Doug Aldrich intro space boys

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03:00:29,750 --> 03:00:27,779
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3573
03:00:31,190 --> 03:00:29,760
Fade to Black is produced by KJ Sarah

3574
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for the game changer Network and this

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03:00:35,750 --> 03:00:33,680
broadcast is own and copyrighted

3576
03:00:37,670 --> 03:00:35,760
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3577
03:00:39,590 --> 03:00:37,680
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3578
03:00:41,269 --> 03:00:39,600
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anywhere in the known universe without

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03:00:44,450 --> 03:00:43,020
written permission from Fade to Black in

3581
03:00:47,929 --> 03:00:44,460
the game changer Network I'm Yours Jimmy

3582
03:00:52,570 --> 03:00:47,939
church tomorrow night Richard Dolan

3583
03:00:58,429 --> 03:00:55,250
bombshell night three

3584
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until then be safe

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